(PICS) Oscar Grant Protest 1-7-2009
01-13-2009, 10:33 AM
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So your saying that he would have to be white for you to start supporting him? Do you understand where these people are coming from? Do you understand their mentality? Whats been put in the head after years of Lynching, rapes, beheadings, burning people alive. Stuff like this triggers everything. Seems like only a person who is not white understands this...but there are alot of good white people who do understand....
01-13-2009, 10:34 AM
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[QUOTE=CaliSuby;2485678]
Don't put words in my mouth. I never said anything about the guy having to be white for me to support him. If the guy were white, I still wouldn't be up in arms about it.
Seriously, I would be extremely surprised if Oscar Grant were white and the Oakland community rioted in the streets for "justice".[/QUOTE
So your saying that he would have to be white for you to start supporting him? Do you understand where these people are coming from? Do you understand their mentality? Whats been put in the head after years of Lynching, rapes, beheadings, burning people alive. Stuff like this triggers everything. Seems like only a person who is not white understands this...but there are alot of good white people who do understand....
So your saying that he would have to be white for you to start supporting him? Do you understand where these people are coming from? Do you understand their mentality? Whats been put in the head after years of Lynching, rapes, beheadings, burning people alive. Stuff like this triggers everything. Seems like only a person who is not white understands this...but there are alot of good white people who do understand....
Don't put words in my mouth. I never said anything about the guy having to be white for me to support him. If the guy were white, I still wouldn't be up in arms about it.
01-13-2009, 10:46 AM
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However, you take your average lower SES minority and ask him 'Have you, or anyone you know been the victim of injustice by a LEO?' 9/10 they will answer yes - WHETHER OR NOT IT IS FACTUAL OR BIASED; that is their belief and their feelings toward it.
That has been my experience anyway.
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I want to know what the "previous police abuses" are. You have a bunch of people who live in poverty, many of whom commit crimes, and we're taking their word for it.
01-13-2009, 10:51 AM
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I cannot think of a riot in this country that has been justified.
Protests = Fine and dandy.
Riots = Unbridled violence to try to get a point (usually unfounded) across.
Protests = Fine and dandy.
Riots = Unbridled violence to try to get a point (usually unfounded) across.
01-13-2009, 10:53 AM
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No no, I'm not speaking on specific terms or of documented cases.
However, you take your average lower SES minority and ask him 'Have you, or anyone you know been the victim of injustice by a LEO?' 9/10 they will answer yes - WHETHER OR NOT IT IS FACTUAL OR BIASED; that is their belief and their feelings toward it.
That has been my experience anyway.
See above.
However, you take your average lower SES minority and ask him 'Have you, or anyone you know been the victim of injustice by a LEO?' 9/10 they will answer yes - WHETHER OR NOT IT IS FACTUAL OR BIASED; that is their belief and their feelings toward it.
That has been my experience anyway.
See above.
01-13-2009, 10:53 AM
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What? It was a mistake that he will pay dearly for. Did you see his reaction after he shot Grant? He couldn't believe what had happened. That doesn't make up for anything, but still, I don't think there were issues that he "carried" with him. How can you just assume that? And, to anyone saying that this has nothing to do with race, and there would be just as much rioting if it were a white victim instead of Grant, you are only lying to yourself.
01-13-2009, 10:55 AM
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even if it was just a protest (I guess people were still getting out of hand and moving towards the riot end of the spectrum?) I do not understand why they were protesting a crime where someone will be charged with a murder.
01-13-2009, 10:56 AM
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They want the verdict sooner, that is why the initial protest began. People at first were upset because they were not forcing the police officer to give a statement immediately. As far as I am concerned, it doesn't matter anyways, everything is on video. Now, people are just looking for something to complain about and an excuse to act childishly.
01-13-2009, 11:12 AM
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They want the verdict sooner, that is why the initial protest began. People at first were upset because they were not forcing the police officer to give a statement immediately. As far as I am concerned, it doesn't matter anyways, everything is on video. Now, people are just looking for something to complain about and an excuse to act childishly.
I disagree. Not everyone is looking for an "excuse to act childishly." Like I've said before; just because people are going to protest/vocalize/and gather their thoughts and opinions. It does not mean these people are the one who will be running around causing havoc.
01-13-2009, 11:16 AM
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Agreed. But these protests quickly turn into riots. I have not attended any of them, so I don't know for sure. I am sure the news focuses on the rioting, and not on those that are simply there to have their voices heard. Protesting is fine with me. But don't clog my city streets, backing up traffic. Why should it take me 5 times as long to get home from work. And don't take my police officers away from the city, in order to control the rioting. Finally, don't trash the my neighbor's cars, and don't ruin the storefronts of local businesses who have a hard enough time making their bills as it is. KOSTI, I think we agree, peaceful protesting can be a great tool to have your voice heard. But, when it ends in rioting, it defeats the entire purpose.
01-13-2009, 11:17 AM
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So you think if a young white male was killed in the same fashion. People like myself wouldn't protest/voice their anger over the killing?
I am completely shocked at the level of disrespect you all got. Thats just complete trash........
A human is just that, human. And wrongful deaths such as this are wrong no matter WHAT COLOR/RACE you are.
**** sakes
I am completely shocked at the level of disrespect you all got. Thats just complete trash........
A human is just that, human. And wrongful deaths such as this are wrong no matter WHAT COLOR/RACE you are.
**** sakes
I have no idea if you'd show up to protest a white man being shot in the back by a black cop.
01-13-2009, 11:19 AM
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