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Old Sep 1, 2004 | 10:17 AM
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There's nothing wrong with having a flag...unless you incesently use it as a symbol of how good of an American you are. Also I should clarify that I'm not attacking the flag in anyway...just a group of people who watch the O'Reilly factor and feel that anyone who disagrees with Bill should be locked up...that group of people tends to over-use the American flag as a symbol of superiority rather than the symbol of freedom and equality it's meant as.
Who are you to say what the flag means to any individual?

Are you saying there is someting wrong with national pride? Do you think national pride is arrogant and blind? Do you think people who honor our flag and country are wrong?

Our flag represents our country.. good and bad. I think it is honorable and just to die for what it represents.

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Old Sep 1, 2004 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
Are you saying there is someting wrong with national pride? .
Well, when your country is WRONG, yes there can be something wrong with national pride


Originally Posted by HellaDumb
Do you think national pride is arrogant and blind? .
Sometimes- it can be, and especially when it is arrogent and blind- national pride can be VERY WRONG.

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Do you think people who honor our flag and country are wrong?.
Not that in and of itself, but I think they are wrong if they think that that alone is enough to be doing their part, and again especially if it is accompanied by blind arrogance and a lack of respect for others.

Originally Posted by HellaDumb
Our flag represents our country.. good and bad. I think it is honorable and just to die for what it represents.
OK, I'll grant you that but at the same time I think it is stupid and wasteful to die for the sake of corporate profits and international theft- when that is the truth behind nearly all wars leading to foreign occupation.

And when it comes down to the cold hard facts, if you ask me, no one has died in Iraq for what our flag represents.

Thanks for the opportunity to share my opinions
Old Sep 1, 2004 | 12:09 PM
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Touch my flag and see what happens =).

let me guess you will spout half truth and blatent lies in an attempt to confuse your opponent while you rally the religious right to mount a crusade against your opponents moral edicts?
Old Sep 1, 2004 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
Who are you to say what the flag means to any individual?

Are you saying there is someting wrong with national pride? Do you think national pride is arrogant and blind? Do you think people who honor our flag and country are wrong?

Our flag represents our country.. good and bad. I think it is honorable and just to die for what it represents.

There is a point where PRIDE blinds a person, that is when it is an issue for all.

He is talking about people who are past that point, you seem to be in that group based on the two posts in this thread.
Old Sep 1, 2004 | 12:18 PM
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Thanks Dre and psoper...you guys seem to understand what I'm saying...everyone is fallible, even the gov't...even me, even you, and even HELLADUMB (even if he's rep'n NorCal...by the way helladumb, how does it feel to know that no matter how you vote ALL of the CA electorial college votes are gonna be for Kerry?)

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Old Sep 1, 2004 | 12:24 PM
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he is helladumb he doesnt understand the electorial college
Old Sep 1, 2004 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Thanks Dre and psoper...you guys seem to understand what I'm saying...everyone is fallible, even the gov't...even me, even you, and even HELLADUMB (even if he's rep'n NorCal...by the way helladumb, how does it feel to know that no matter how you vote ALL of the CA electorial college votes are gonna be for Kerry?)
It feels REALLY good to know that CA has already been written off.
Old Sep 1, 2004 | 01:52 PM
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written off? nope...just points for my team, not yours...the fact that the election comes down to a couple states every four years doesn't change the importance of the 'dedicated' states in the election...
Old Sep 1, 2004 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
There is a point where PRIDE blinds a person, that is when it is an issue for all.

Also known as jingoism. And yes, jingoists are teh suckage
Old Sep 1, 2004 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
It feels REALLY good to know that CA has already been written off.

How the States Line Up in Latest Polls:

Bush:
Alabama
Alaska
Georgia
Indiana
Idaho
Kansas
Louisiana
Mississippi
Montana
Nebraska
North Dakota
Oklahoma
South Carolina
South Dakota
Texas
Utah
Virginia
Wyoming

Swing:
*Arizona
*Arkansas
Colorado
Delaware
*Florida
Hawaii
*Iowa
Kentucky
*Maine
*Michigan
*Minnesota
*Missouri
*New Hampshire
*New Mexico
*Nevada
North Carolina
*Oregon
*Ohio
*Pennsylvania
Tennessee
*Washington
*West Virginia
*Wisconsin

Kerry:
California
Connecticut
District of Columbia
Illinois
Maryland
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New York
Rhode Island
Vermont

pretty funny how DC is going to go kerry... hahahahaha even the law makers think bush is a ****..
Old Sep 1, 2004 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
pretty funny how DC is going to go kerry... hahahahaha even the law makers think bush is a ****..
Yeah... lawmakers are the cats meow.
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