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Old Jan 19, 2006 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by lojasmo
The US was fighting a proxy war in Afghanistan 20 years ago....in collusion with Bin Ladin.

The US was fighting a proxy war in IRaq 20 years ago....in collusion with the baathists....and in fact, we were still fighting the first gulf war right up to the time of the second one.

In fact, we flew 123 saudi nationals, many of them Bin Ladens, out of the country on 9/12...without any investigation into their involvement in 9/11.

And now a blast from the past:

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

Fast forward six months:

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02
So you think we're not tolerant of Muslims in the US because of that? Wow. Is that all you have? Can you ever agree on anything?
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
Ok Lojas/ MV/ Unregistered and the like...

What are you going to say about Bush if/when sh*t hits the fan again? Since y'all tend to agree that Bush has already stomped on our civil rights, looks like you'll have to blame Bush for Going into Iraq (and hence ignore that 9/11 wasn't provoked by Iraq). Right?

Iraq wasn't involved in 9/11 at all. In fact, as someone else stated earlier today, Al Queda did NOT like Saddam. If you would like to think that Saddam and his regime were tied to Al Queda and 9/11, then write a fictional book about it because that's all there is.

And if Osama hits us again, I will ask why the F*** we used the vast majority of our military might to take out Saddam while Osama was running around planning his next attack with only a few of our soldiers on his tail.

In other words, if Al Queda is succesful in attacking US soil again I will blame Bush Jr for not improving our safety at all while squandering trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives on a trumped up war and managing to stomp on several civil rights and liberties....for nothing.
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 02:44 PM
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Iraq wasn't involved in 9/11 at all. In fact, as someone else stated earlier today, Al Queda did NOT like Saddam. If you would like to think that Saddam and his regime were tied to Al Queda and 9/11, then write a fictional book about it because that's all there is.

And if Osama hits us again, I will ask why the F*** we used the vast majority of our military might to take out Saddam while Osama was running around planning his next attack with only a few of our soldiers on his tail.

In other words, if Al Queda is succesful in attacking US soil again I will blame Bush Jr for not improving our safety at all while squandering trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives on a trumped up war and managing to stomp on several civil rights and liberties....for nothing.

Exactly.

He should of done what he promised to do a long time ago. Take out Bin Laden, I would respect him a lot more had he done this. Oh well.
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 02:45 PM
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And if Osama hits us again, I will ask why the F*** we used the vast majority of our military might to take out Saddam while Osama was running around planning his next attack with only a few of our soldiers on his tail.
So you wanted an invasion of Pakistan, or did you want troops storming Mosques in America?

Originally Posted by MVWRX
In other words, if Al Queda is succesful in attacking US soil again I will blame Bush Jr for not improving our safety at all while squandering trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives on a trumped up war and managing to stomp on several civil rights and liberties....for nothing.
Ok, so better for him to keep stomping if you're gonna complain anyway, right?
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 02:50 PM
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Uh...no. Bush has been completely ineffective in the 'war on terror'. The quotes shown earlier about how he has 'flip flopped' about Osama, the fact that we haven't taken out the #1 or #2 of Al Queda, and the fact that Osama made this last threatening tape are all evidense to this.

There IS a way to protect America without killing civil rights, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that. After all, sheep only hear what they are told by their sheppard.

What should have happened is on Sept 12, 2001 we should have declared war on Al Queda, forced every gov't in the world to give up their Al Queda members with sanctions and the UN's help (they would have helped us if we went after the guy who attacked us instead of Saddam...), and killed Osama and all of his generals before the end of 2002. Instead we got a war for no clear reason and the guy who actually hit us is alive and threatening to hit us again. We look like idiots, and it IS Bush's fault.

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Old Jan 19, 2006 | 02:52 PM
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I wouldn't have minded an invasion of Pakistan if it had happened right after 9/11 and had resulted in the quick and efficient killing of Osama. He attacked us, we should get him. The fact that I am saying this 4 1/2 years after the attack is rediculous; Osama should be dead, and should have been before we started any type of war in Iraq.

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Old Jan 19, 2006 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
There IS a way to protect America without killing civil rights, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that. After all, sheep only hear what they are told by their sheppard.
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I'll pretend to be a sheep, and you the sheppard. Teach me o wise one!

Originally Posted by MVWRX
What should have happened is on Sept 12, 2001 we should have declared war on Al Queda, forced every gov't in the world to give up their Al Queda members with sanctions and the UN's help
Ahahhahahaha LOL!!!
I just puked all over my monitor thanks to you! It looks like split pea soup with ham!
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 03:28 PM
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...if you had read, I already did teach you. We should have gone to war against al Queda (you know, the ones who attacked us).

Good luck with your monitor, it's hard to get puke off of things like that. Remember, this all went down back when the UN could have actually helped us... before Bush and Blair made it obsolete.
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 03:30 PM
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So you think we're not tolerant of Muslims in the US because of that? Wow. Is that all you have? Can you ever agree on anything?
I'm saying that the unofficial policy of this administration is collusion with those who finance and support terror.

And yes....americans have remained tolerant of Muslims...it is a testiment to the character of many of our citizens...largely those in the left and in the center.

You also failed to address that the US has been fooking muslim nations over for that last fifty years.

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Old Jan 19, 2006 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Uh...no. Bush has been completely ineffective in the 'war on terror'.
It's no mistake that we haven't been attacked since 9/11

Originally Posted by MVWRX
There IS a way to protect America without killing civil rights, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that. After all, sheep only hear what they are told by their sheppard.
If the statement below is your alternate way, I think you too would still be in a similar position.

Originally Posted by MVWRX
What should have happened is on Sept 12, 2001 we should have declared war on Al Queda, forced every gov't in the world to give up their Al Queda members with sanctions and the UN's help (they would have helped us if we went after the guy who attacked us instead of Saddam...), and killed Osama and all of his generals before the end of 2002. Instead we got a war for no clear reason and the guy who actually hit us is alive and threatening to hit us again. We look like idiots, and it IS Bush's fault.
Umm, didn't we declare war on Al Queda? And Forced every gov't in the world to give up their Al Queda members? You mean start WWIII? You realize how many conflicts this would have caused and how hard this would have been, don't u? You also make it seem like we went after Saddam right after 9/11 instead of Usama. How can u say that Afghanistan was a war for Nothing!? Usama isn't a dumb guy. You really think he wasn't hiding weeks before 9/11? He made it a point not to be found. Do you understand the terrain that he had to his advantage? And the fact that he had the knowledge of a LARGE majority of it. And if you don't think that we are still using a good amount of intelligence and military trying to still find him, I'd almost go as far as to call you a fool.
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 05:21 PM
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you gotta love sideline quarterbacks i mean after all they were at all the round table meetings with the president shooting the shnit and smoking cigars



so many people like you are so caught up in the past that you have yet to think about a plan for the future. All you *****es do is just that, *****! Whine, mone, and grone about the past

Stop and ask yourself do you love your country? Do you support our troops? If you answer no, give me your location and I’ll personally bring an end to your misery If you answer yes, then please stop with the dumpster diving and write to your congressmen and senators to stop with the spineless bickering and sideline quarterbacking and start uniting and working together to find solutions to problems were facing on the ground out there. To work towards a strategy that will render a victory. For diplomatic actions, that will bring in more nations to the coalition, and distroy terrorists groups.

This way we can leave that country the right way, and finish the job that was started. We are their and your brave young soldiers are working the frontline everyday. That is a fact! While you sit around with hector the garbage collector dwindling on the past. We are at war and we need to be united and working together to bring this conflict to an end in a way that will benefit all parties involved. (or as many)

I’m not asking you to support GWB. I’m asking you to simply work towards a solution. Digging up the past isn’t changing anything for the better, if anything its only aided the enemy to embolden its attacks on your servicemen and woman and boosted insurgent recruitment and support.

You can think this war is unjust and point out that the current administration lied but what is it doing for the cause? We are at war. Leaving Iraq now is not going to magically make things better, that’s a fact. It is in the U.S.’s best interest to make right what was wronged and to do that we have to work as a UNITED country standing firm and strong.

Make a difference in this war not a nascence.
Now excuse me while I say a silent prayer for all our military personnel in harms way

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Old Jan 20, 2006 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by zumnwrx
Digging up the past isn’t changing anything for the better.
Finding out who called in the short stocks between 8/26/2001 and 9/11/2001 could help. Also, finding out who authorized the emmigration of the Bin Laden family members and other saudi nationals on 9/10/2001 could help.

Unfortunately, Bush said that the american taxpayers can't afford 6 million dollars to investigate those issues (even though the war has now cost 144 billion, and the actual cost of the war is estimated to be in the range of 2-4 trillion)
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Iraq wasn't involved in 9/11 at all. In fact, as someone else stated earlier today, Al Queda did NOT like Saddam. If you would like to think that Saddam and his regime were tied to Al Queda and 9/11, then write a fictional book about it because that's all there is.

And if Osama hits us again, I will ask why the F*** we used the vast majority of our military might to take out Saddam while Osama was running around planning his next attack with only a few of our soldiers on his tail.

In other words, if Al Queda is succesful in attacking US soil again I will blame Bush Jr for not improving our safety at all while squandering trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives on a trumped up war and managing to stomp on several civil rights and liberties....for nothing.
+1000000000000000000000000

The Osama news is kinda scary for us Detroiters too because we have the Superbowl coming up in two weeks and also the largest Muslim population outside of the middle east in Dearborn, MI only a stones throw from Ford Field and downtown detroit.
Old Jan 20, 2006 | 09:43 AM
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I think Osama's words validate the strategy (deliberate or other) of going into Iraq after Afghanistan. For muslim extremists who want to wipe infadels off the face of the planet, they see the last 5 years as a preview of what's to come, and that's why they are fighting to the death in Iraq right now! They know what's at stake more than we do!

If there is some visible semblance of success in Iraq, extremists fear we'll go from country to country until they are left with no countries willing to protect them.

While many see us as invaders, more see us as liberators. Do you think those who would die to come to America would damn us for giving them democracy?

Osama offering us a truce for simply pulling out now is a Bush victory, but we need to finish the job.



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