Originally Posted by MVWRX

Being socially liberal is built into the genes of all humans. If it was not, we would not exist. Back when humans were not so advanced as now, we were not the dominant beings on the planet. In that time period, we needed help from other humans and generally all humans worked together. Wars and battles were rare, because it was far more important to defend against predators than to claim dominance over another human. Only since humans have become the 'ultimate earth bound being' have we had problems between humans. And so, in this way, being socially liberal is the way we were made by nature (or a god or whatever you believe). Conservatism, and the mindset that you should take care of yourself above taking care of the species, is a side effect of there being too many humans alive...in other words, social liberalism works SO well that conservatism has to happen in an attempt to limit our population. Altruism is a basic human instinct that is one of the most prevelant reasons that we still exist as a species. Social liberality's single largest attribute is altruism. So in this way, conservatives can be seen as those least adept at surviving in 'jungle' or 'dog-eat-dog' world despite the common idea that only the largest and strongest survive. We are here because of survival of the fittest...in the case of humans, those who were given the attribute of altruism have survived because they worked together to overcome common threats to survival. If you recognize that altruism is the single most important aspect of the human personality in terms of the survival of the species, you also must recognize that social liberalism is the attempt to incorporate altrusim into every facet of our society to better our species.

No attacks on you Oaf, just some of what I believe and some of my reasons for thinking that being liberal really is morally better than being conservative.

Originally Posted by bassplayrr

And the conservatives will take it too far the other direction... that's the point. Both are needed... the ratio however is debatable.

-Chris

Originally Posted by dub2w

oh, and dont forget jails.

Dems like to build up minority communities for the future through education, while their counterparts stray to the other side... feeding the monster that is the prison system with complete disregard of inner-city renewal programs and truly compassionate anti-drug programs

Originally Posted by MVWRX

...conservatives don't allow more choice, they just limit choice in different ways. Religion and conservatives are inexhoarbly linked in this country, and religion in general is a way to limit choices not to expand options. Oner great example: pro-life vs. pro-choice. Conservative view point: abortion=killing=God doesn't like it=noone should have the choice. Liberal view point: people should be allowed to do what they want, and at the same time abortions save unwanted and illigitimate (rape, underage, etc) children from a life that wasn't prepared for properly (incorporates choices AND altruism). The misconception that conservatives stand for more freedoms is really just that, a misconception.

Originally Posted by FUNKED1

Too far in the direction of letting people make decisions for themselves freely? I don't think you can ever go to far in that direction. Of course I'm a libertarian not a conservative.

Originally Posted by MVWRX

"Too far in the direction of letting people make decisions for themselves freely? I don't think you can ever go to far in that direction. Of course I'm a libertarian not a conservative. "



I thought this meant you believe that conservatives allow for more choice than liberals...my mistake if that's not what you meant.

Originally Posted by HellaDumb

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHH this is the funniest thing in the entire thread!!!!!

No, dems are pro-abortion because they want to kill the babies before they can become a drain on society, including clogging up the prison system. When was the last time you saw a politician on either side that "really" cares about ANY inner city?

So you give Democrats credit when Asians succeed, and blame Republicans when Black communities fail? What a joke.

The only time a minority, rich or poor, gets into the average politician's house is if the toilets need cleaning... don't kid yourself.

Originally Posted by MVWRX

In my neighborhood you'd get your *** kicked by white people for saying s*** like that Helladumb...get some f***ing compassion for something other than your own d***.

Originally Posted by bassplayrr

I really don't understand you. You do this just for attention, correct?

-Chris

Originally Posted by bassplayrr

Yes you can... economically speaking. The capitolism you speak of in the other post is known as "laze fare" or hands-off. With no government control, or a government that values the corp. over the general public , the corps aquire too much power. This leads to oligopolies and eventually monopolies. Monopolies lead to price gouging. Further left to their own devices and these horizontal monopolies become vertical monoplies in which they controll all aspects of their product (including manufacturing, transporting, etc.) and eventually have the ability to price gouge all aspects of our lives. Think Standard Oil and Rockafeller. This is where purely conservative government would take us. *caugh*halliburton*caugh* People say halliburton was awarded a no-bid contract because they were the only ones that couldprovide some of the services. Well, if this continues they will ALWAYS be the only ones who can provide those services which will lead to price gouging. (or already has if you consider the overcharging currently under investigation.)

-Chris