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Old 09-24-2009, 07:12 AM
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Obama administration again channels Bush. The Arristocrats!

Obama admin. claims right to detain and imprison people indefinitely without charge.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/us...5fJ367XoIp/5fw

Change.

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Old 09-24-2009, 08:02 AM
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In concluding that it does not need specific permission from Congress to hold detainees without charges, the Obama administration is adopting one of the arguments advanced by the Bush administration in years of debates about detention policies.
****ing rich.....how's that hope & change working out for you dolts that voted for Barry?
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****ing rich.....how's that hope & change working out for you dolts that voted for Barry?
Way to cherry pick from the article. I can do that too:

The department pointed out that courts would continue to review the cases of those held without charges through habeas corpus hearings. The Washington Post first reported the decision.
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Way to cherry pick from the article. I can do that too:
still goes against all his preaching before the election now doesn't it?
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Originally Posted by Superglue WRX View Post
Way to cherry pick from the article. I can do that too:
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still goes against all his preaching before the election now doesn't it?
And that was what I was getting at about Barry.
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And that was what I was getting at about Barry.
That applies to all* politicians.

*With very few notable exceptions.
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Old 09-24-2009, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior View Post
That applies to all* politicians.

*With very few notable exceptions.
so that makes it ok?

and thats not change
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Old 09-24-2009, 07:04 PM
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so that makes it ok?

and thats not change
Didn't I point out a change in my post? Is that not a positive aspect of this whole gitmo situation? Especially considering congress is resisting moving the prisoners on American turf.

I don't expect the moon from this president, but I think he's trying to be pragmatic about this.
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I don't think we would have been any better off with McCain/Palin...

Neither candidate got my vote this time around.
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Originally Posted by Superglue WRX View Post
Way to cherry pick from the article. I can do that too:
and so can i....
The department pointed out that courts would continue to review the cases of those held without charges through habeas corpus hearings. The Washington Post first reported the .
oh wait thats the same quote you posted you say, why did i post it again?

The department pointed out that courts would continue to review the cases of those held without charges through habeas corpus hearings. The Washington Post first reported the decision.
does that mean cherry picking the article goes three ways?... or just that you believe the first thing you hear....

the article continues:

The legal interpretation applies to detainees whom the government concludes should be held because they are a continuing danger to national security but who cannot be brought to trial for various reasons, like evidence tainted by harsh interrogations.
while the rational is different... "tainted by interrogation methods" vs "no appropriate court with jurisdiction (and other excuses)" the end result is still the same, indefinite imprisonment.

go back to your room son, the adults are talking.
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Old 09-25-2009, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by irrational x View Post
and so can i....


oh wait thats the same quote you posted you say, why did i post it again?



does that mean cherry picking the article goes three ways?... or just that you believe the first thing you hear....

the article continues:



while the rational is different... "tainted by interrogation methods" vs "no appropriate court with jurisdiction (and other excuses)" the end result is still the same, indefinite imprisonment.

go back to your room son, the adults are talking.
Is the son **** really necessary, really?

P.S. I was just pointing out that cherry picking a quote while ignoring the rest is intillectually dishonest.

... and it's "rationale" jerk.

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Originally Posted by Superglue WRX View Post
Didn't I point out a change in my post? Is that not a positive aspect of this whole gitmo situation? Especially considering congress is resisting moving the prisoners on American turf.

I don't expect the moon from this president, but I think he's trying to be pragmatic about this.
I dont think one prison with a very few prisoners is going to change a whole lot to be honest. I think its more of a good faith move. I would not want them in my town to be honest. I dont know many that would.



....son . hahaha ok i am just joking on that part
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Originally Posted by Superglue WRX View Post
... and it's "rationale" jerk.





Originally Posted by Superglue WRX
P.S. I was just pointing out that cherry picking a quote while ignoring the rest is intellectually dishonest.
why not just say that instead of doing the exact same thing...
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christ,I agree with irrational x, its got to be the end of the f'ing world

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