I'm going to go ahead and start off with a big OH SNAP!!! OK back to the topic. What lastlaugh had to say about NCOs..........is the truth. Without them the military is nothing. As far as a 1SGT breaking a CPT down to tears, that might happen where you are but I know that in my unit and any unit I have ever been in it would never happen just because the 1SGT is so engrained with military bearing he would never do that. Not to say the CPT doesn't have the utmost respect for him it just doesn't happen. Lastly, LTs don't last long in combat for a very simple reason. The saying "last in the mess line and first from the foxhole" is true for me. I'd be the first one dead because I'm the closest to the enemy. Lead from the front, you can't see anything but *** from the rear.

 

I agree there. I just wish AF officers saw it that way. Marine and Army officers are totally differnt from AF & Navy officers.
The Capt crying thing happened when a fresh, (2 weeks in the squadron) one almost got me shot. Can't really get into details, but he "accidentally" droppped his magazine while clearing a building with a known armed EC inside. When a fully loaded 30rd M4 magazine gets dropped out in a dark quiet corridor, you'd be supprised how much it sounds like a gunshot!

 

Word. I agree with that. I think AF and Navy officers feel that they are some part of an aristocracy. They're to far from their troops. My cousin is in the AF and says he sees his commander about once every 2 weeks. I joined the Army because I like being with my troops. The hardest thing about being a leader for me is fighting the desire to be one with the troop but I know I can't as it will undermine my authority.

 

Maybe it can be taken as weakness, but I think I can do my job efficiently and be 'one of the guys'. I try to instill in my guys that while I'm the boss and I don't put up with disrespect or anything less than their 100%, I am still a man. Having spent my time on the trail, I can tell you that I can crush nuts with the best of them but I know that I am fair. I will do anything for them and they know that. I don't jump to conclusions about anyone. I treat every one of my soldiers as a grownup. I don't party with them. I will go to their parties (in the first hour or so and then I leave.) I'll go hand out in the barracks on a weekend morning just to check morale and I'll bull**** with them. I joke around with them but I expect them to joke around back at me and I don't have thick skin.

I've been 'mentored' many times by senior officers that I need to keep constant vigilance on the my relationship to my men. I think sr officers suspect mustangs of having too much 'empathy' with their soldiers. I don't care. I just lead in the best way I see fit. Due to that, I'm certain that I've left my commands (PLT & CO) better than they were when I got there and I'm certain that in 20 years from now, if I ran into one of my soldiers, they'd still have a warmth and a respect for their old 'CO'.

 

As I would be. Hence my statement still stands if I joined the Army, (which is what I was talking about) what I said is 100% correct. So I'm wrong how?

Intresting, because I was talking about the Army like I always have since I have experience dealing with them. And since shocker here my mom was in the Army and thats the rank she was giving when she first went in. Third I would still proably still be a Capt. in the Airforce because of my experience and my families connections. So I guess your still wrong.


You're a very funny individual. You sure know a lot about me with OUT even knowing my past or who I am. Man you sure would be a great Capt just as would 1reguL8NSTi. Maybe you two could teach all of us that skill of knowing peoples past or who they are without even knowing them. I really wish I had that skill. To answer your question not only have I seen 1SGT's get yelled at by officers that I have known, but I have not ONCE seen one hit a officer in the face. On top of this wouldn't the 1SGT be court-martialed for hitting a officer in the face?


If you are weak and let your 1SGT run you down then thats your problem. But I am most certainly not weak or stupid so doubt that would happen. And I am like my mother who is also a very strong willed individual. And guess what no 1SGT EVER told my mother what do and broke her down to tears. I find it amusing that you are only talking about one section of the Army and not other sections. Also how you are assuming what would happen to me, or happened to my mother. And im sure the commanding officers don't run the Army. Thats why they not only have more responsibilties but 1SGT try to get higher rank. Or do 1SGT try to stay 1SGT because they "run" the military.

Oh bull****. I'll give you two example why your view is so screwed up, if you want more I can give you more. A national leader who is about to sign a peace treaty is shot in the head. The person set to replace him is pro-war. A brain surgeon is flown in and saves the leaders life. The peace treaty is signed and peace thrives. Or, a deadly virus comes out and a researcher finds the cure and stops the death of everyone on Earth. While one soldier can win a war. A researcher can save the lives of everyone on this planet. While you do what you do, you better not discredit others for what they do. Everyone of those people you mentioned does their part to keep the war machine that is the Army working. You take them out and it wouldn't run.

Again you are a fool. Im not afraid to die for causes I believe in. Guess what I don't believe in the cause that is the Iraq war. Or this President, and since if you join the Army you are told to fight for which ever President... well I hope you get my drift by now. See if you make stupid generilizations I'll easily take them apart. So please next time just keep you're mouth shut you might look less like an idiot.

 

Funny that big "HYPOCRITE sure indicates otherwise. But ok great all knowing one.

Oh god here we go again, do you know where I grew up? Do you know how many people I know that are in the force? Do you know about who or where I have been for more than half my life? I can tell you 100% for sure it would of been the "easier route" for me to go in the Army. And my preception would not be changed one bit.

Please stop putting words in my mouth. Where did I say I was going to be a platoon leader? Go ahead QOUTE me on this one. Please do so. Here I'll help you out and your little mind.

Wow mind blowing isn't it. And so again WHERE am I wrong in the statement that I made? I wouldn't be now would I? So again shut the hell up and eat a donkey oh moron of the day. Man how can you dispute things that are plain as day and correct. I guess people like you LOVE to dig themselves in deeper!

I have nothing in common with them? HAHAHAHAHHAH oh god, let me breath in for a second here. You would think knowing that my mother was in the Army that would be a LITTLE hint of what my childhood was like. Who my friends were/are and who I looked up to growing up. Do you know WHY I choose to become a Physical Therapist? I'll tell you right now, I dislocated my arm in 5th grade. The person that took care of me the most was a CPT who happened to be, drum roll please, a Physical Therapist. I have done MANY things in my life and studying was just PART of my life. I busted my *** to get my degree faster than most people. But on top of this I have people under me right now that I tell what to do on a day to day bases. I proably have more experience in dealing with individuals who i supervise than you just because of this. I could keep going, but would it really matter you have a preconcieved notion of who I am. And where I come from. And you are HUGELY mistaken.

 

Thats still a greater percentage than I would like or take. And please tell that to the people that are dead. See my point? I mentioned this as an example not just as the only thing. On top of this I will never serve for someone such as Jr. And that is a MAJOR reason why I would never join the force. And this computer screen can talk back.

 

I guess you do fit my description earlier. My mommy did this, mommy did that. What a mamma's boy! And I couldn't care less who your mommy is or what connections your family has, or the fact that you have chosen a profession that lets you fondle other men legaly, it still won't get you any clout in the military. Oh, and by the way, ask your mommy about NCOs running the military. If she is an officer worth her salt, she will tell you the same. Grow up kid, grow some *****, then go talk to your nearest recruiter. And, don't be scared. Boot Camp ain't too bad.

 

Great your mom's an officer. That makes absolutely ZERO difference to me and saying absolutely nothing of your character. The worst kid in basic training was the son of a General. He made it through basic then ended up getting kicked out of ROTC. And good for you, you have people who work under you. That's great but again I don't care as I am speaking in reference to those you would have subordinate to you in the Army.

The part I quoted of your previous post is all the reason I need to demonstrate to you why you are not nor will ever be even a satisfactory leader of troops. Until you are willing to die for your country (which you posts clearly states you are not) don't even talk to me about what you could or should be in the military. As far as I am concerned this topic is closed for discussion. There is little else you can argue after making a statement like that. Thanks for putting your foot in your mouth. I know the rest of us appreciate it.

 

I'm just saying that you are right. Combat isn't pretty nor is it high on my priorities of how I'd like to die. The whole connotation of combat is killing and being killed.

However, if you want to talk statistics, I'd smoke you. There is a much greater statistical chance of you dying a brutal, heinous death everytime you strap your seat belt across your chest than of you dying in Iraq as a servicemember.

 

I hear that. And thanks to the new Raytheon Frequency Scramblers remotely detonated IEDs don't work anymore. That's why suicide bombers have been so much more prevalent in the news lately. It won't be long and the insurgents will be limited to suicide bombings and direct action which they have evidently avoided at all costs and they can't compare to our 11B.

 

I think I heard about those things somewhere.....Raytheon is pretty sweet you must admit!

 

Oh I do admit. We are also starting to fight fire with fire as far as that goes but I'll leave it at that. There are only a few ways we are really vulnerable now and the only way they can capitalize on that is if they expose themselves which they rarely do as most of them are terrified of confrontation.

 

Yawn. That the best insults you can come up with? Disappointing really. Please you already got corrected by the others about your little stint about a 1SGT yelling at a CPT. Now you are calling me a moma's boy because Im using her as an example. What should I use my friends dad who was a higher ranking officer?

Are you just mad that you will proably never reach the same rank I could achieve by just signing up whenever I choose? Lets not mention the rank I would be if I served the same amount of years as you. Oh and im not homophobic like you, Im very secure in my manhood. Its ok we know the army policy, don't ask don't tell, maybe one day you'll be able to stop putting up the tough guy act and admit your'e gay. We can only wish right?

Sad really all I ever stated was a fact and you are so jealous you must attack me none stop. I love it. And you tell me to grow up. Classic, but not as classic as HellaDumb. Oh and guess what moron, the OFFICERS run the freaking military. They have the responsibilities that keep it going, lower ranking individuals do the day to day work. But the upper lead the army in the direction its headed. If you can't even comprehend this then their is no hope in you. And you should really never try to get any type of rank since after all, we know that officers don't run the military.

Oh and boot camp would be a joke. Funny, I love how you talk without knowing who I am. But im not a moron and would throw everything away to join the Army. Unlike you I don't like being told by people what to do. Or told to go to a war that I don't believe in. Haha, grow some *****, atleast be a little inventive.

 

Of course because you participate more times buckling up in a car than going into a war. But you increase your chances of dying by going to war. And like you said combat isn't pretty and I will never fight in a war I don't support.

Shrug. I just find this all amusing. I stated a fact about what possible rank I could be then all of you jump on me telling me Im wrong. Then I back it up and show that Im right. And you guys off on tangents. Oh well shouldn't expect no less from the Politics forums.