And that is the problem. Don't you think that is a huge security risk by letting them into our country without checking them out first at a border crossing?

 

and the drama unfolds:

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/...&w=APO&coview=

 

The shirt read: ``Bryan Barton caught an illegal alien and all I got was this T-shirt.''


That's funny!!

 

:rotfl: are you serious? Have you ever had to go to the ER in Ca, Tx, or Az? I have a friend(big time liberal BTW)who is an ER nurse in Az. and transferred to tennessee because she couldn't handle the fact that she wasn't able to treat legitimate emergencies because she was too busy treating illegals with allergies or a runny nose.
This is nonsense... I work with some who say they just go to the ER when they get sick, FREE OF CHARGE ! I even have some mexican friends some illegal, some born here who are against illegal immigration because they see our social programs being exploited by thier families. How can you say when some one(and thier 9 kids) who isn't even supposed to be here, get free healthcare and meds, that it doesn't affect your premiums? Who do you think picks up the tab?

"IF you connot afford healthcare it will be provided for you"
Have you never seen these signs in the ER, Dr's office or the lab?

You just made our arguement, I don't think anyone is against a guest worker program, and this is, in fact the reason Bush wanted the amnesty program for some of them who are already here.

Millions and millions come over each year, families, pregnant wives you name it. you just can't legalize them all.

Back on topic, MOST of these "minuteman" are just rifle rack hicks, the program won't probably be around too long. I'm sure some of them have good intention, but when an untrained, unscreened individual suddenly falls into a position of power it's only a matter of time before something bad happens. I can't see much good coming out of this situation, problems like this are solved through diplomacy and policy. Too bad neither have worked yet.

 

Analysis of the latest Census data indicates that California's illegal immigrant population is costing the state's taxpayers more than $10.5 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration. Even if the estimated tax contributions of illegal immigrant workers are subtracted, net outlays still amount to nearly $9 billion per year. The annual fiscal burden from those three areas of state expenditures amounts to about $1,183 per household headed by a native-born resident. The estimated total costs of illegal immigration to the state's taxpayers would be considerably higher if other cost areas such as special English instruction, school feeding programs, or welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal alien workers were added into the equation.

Analysis of the latest Census data indicates that Arizona's illegal immigrant population is costing the state's taxpayers about $1.3 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration. Even if the estimated tax contributions of illegal immigrant workers are subtracted, net outlays still amount to more than $1 billion per year. The annual fiscal burden borne by Arizonans amounts to more than $700 per household headed by a native-born resident.

Illegal aliens from Central America have been allowed to remain in the United States so long that their homelands have grown dependent on the estimated $1.5 billion a year they send home in remittances. (Clinton Bars Amnesty for Latin Immigrants, Washington Post, May 9,1997)

The total net cost of the IRCA amnesty (the direct and indirect costs of services and benefits to the former illegal aliens, minus their tax contributions) after ten years comes to over $78 billion. (Measuring the Fallout: The Cost of the IRCA Amnesty After 10 Years, CIS, May 1997)

The cost of educating illegal alien school children in the nation's seven states with the highest concentration of illegal aliens is estimated to be $4.6 billion in 1996, but this estimate does not at all take into account the additional costs of bilingual education or other special educational needs. (FAIR, 2002)

In 1994, California paid for 74,987 deliveries to illegal alien mothers, at a total cost of $215.2 million (an average of $2,842 per delivery). Illegal alien mothers accounted for 36 percent of all Medi-Cal funded births in California that year.

In the immigration game, the playing field is far from level. Each year, the largest share of the hundreds of thousands of legal immigrants enters the U.S. through the family-sponsored preference system. By virtue of this fact, most of these immigrants come from developing countries in Mexico, Central America and Asia. On balance, these aliens are increasingly unskilled, poorly educated, and more likely than natives to live in poverty and on welfare.

California ranks 48th of the 50 states in medical spending per patient. 22% of the non-elderly are uninsured. In San Diego alone, bad debt and charity care in 1999 was $296 million. Two-thirds of California hospitals are losing money. Hundreds of medical groups have closed or gone bankrupt and most of the others are in financial trouble. To make matters worse an estimated $116 billion was cut from Medicare from 1998 and 2002, $60 billion directly from hospitals. And the General Accounting Office projects a total of $227 billion more cuts over the next five years. Yet our population continues to swell even as health care resources dwindle. Until California controls its population growth, the health care situation will only get worse. And California won't control its population growth until immigration is reduced to reasonable levels.

Californians pay billions each year in taxes to support illegal immigrants. Welfare, education, health care, and unemployment are just a few of the many services Californians provide, often unknowingly. And often to illegal aliens who have no right to be here, much less receive free services. The impact is seen in property taxes, sales taxes, and income taxes. If California could slow immigration and in turn population growth, the effect on taxes could be dramatic. At the same time the improvement in services to all Californians would be significant.

According to the Center for Immigration Studies, Welfare payments, including food stamps to Illegal immigrants in Arizona cost us $4,698,000 in 2001.

At Senator Jon Kyle's(AZ) request, his organization calculated the cost to Arizona hospitals for treating illegal immigrants at 31 million dollars in just one year.



http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.html

 

 

very fascinating. the center claims to be the only think tank devoted to immigration reform.

it seems that some of the cources are credible, but i wouldnt put all of my eggs into that basket (esp. when comparing total cost vs. total benefit)

good read though

 

Well, I'm against a guest worker program like the one Bush is proposing. There is no way to track these people and ensure they return to their country after the six years they're allowed here. They will still export all their earnings. And why pay for health insurance when it's free and 100% better than the care in their country? And the Minuteman Project volunteers aren't just hicks. They are people who are fed up with the extreme burden that illegal immigration is putting on our country. They are simply trying to raise awareness. They've gone through a more thorough background check than many civil service workers in this country. The organizers have made it very clear that NO ONE is to make contact with an illegal under any circumstances. These are people who HAVE EVERY RIGHT to be where they are and do what they're doing and they're being criticized for that.

 

VERY FEW of those quotes were from the CIS. The CIS study just has a more in-depth explanation of the costs instead of just hard numbers. Most of those facts came from the state census bureaus (specifically the executive summaries of the recent census) who have NO political agenda that I can determine.

 

I'm surprised no body has brought this issue up yet. My wife works for a large US bank and you'd be suprised how much money is really sent back there. Vincente fox recently had a meeting with reps from the two major us banks to discuss easier ways to transfer money back to mexican citizens.

They have every right to be, I just think that the first mistake that is made will result in a media free for all wich will probably hinder thier cause in the long run.

Personally, I hate it when a van load of them from the vinyard whistles and yells obscene comments in spanish at my wife, her cousin(who is under age)and her friends, who proceed to show them wich way is up and then they end up starting a fight with the only guy... me. It sucks.

 

Money imported from the U.S. is Mexico's second largest source of income, slightly below oil. Within the next year or so it will become number one.

You are correct. Of course there is always the risk of violence, especially along the border. It would benefit the pro-illegal immigration people to insite violence there. That is why the Minuteman Project has received threats of violence from the MS-13 gang and Mexican smuggling organizations. Regardless of who starts a fight, the Minutemen will certainly lose in terms of media fallout.

 

I'm sorry, I mispoke. Remittances to Mexico from illegal aliens is now at $17 billion a year. It's NUMERO UNO as a source of revenue for Mexico. Oil is now second.

 

do you have another source that confirms those numbers?

 

Is volkswagon third?