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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 09:23 AM
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The numbers I've seen from unbias sources are 10,000 jobs in the manufacturing sector. While that is a big number, it is not THAT big in the grand scheme of things. Consider for example, DHL has announced that it lay off just about that many people yesterday (9500). Two million is plausible if everyone stop buying/driving cars and every car company including the Japanese and German ones close shop.

Toyota for example has built plants in the US and ran successful operations here. GM has been given time and lots of money by the US to do the same. Why are we rewarding the losers? Giving them money will not fundamentally change the way GM runs their business. Bankruptcy is not necessarily the end of a company. Look at United Airlines, they filed for bankruptcy after 9/11 and they are back in the game with a more efficient business model.

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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 09:26 AM
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Anheuser-Busch is about to be owned by a company in Belgium... so now I can say so all those joe six packs how they are drinking some unamerican beer

We can things made in america, we just have to work at wages that are competitive against other countries
Budweiser sucks anyway. real americans are red white an blue.... PBR ME ASAP!
Old Nov 12, 2008 | 09:49 AM
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ok we are feeling the sub prime mortgage ripple effect

what do you think would happen with this?
Old Nov 12, 2008 | 11:17 AM
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i hope they pass this mortgage thing that locks the payments at 30% of your annual gross income... cause ive actually lost money this year. i can renegotiate the principal down and they would have to write me a check? lol
Old Nov 12, 2008 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
Anheuser-Busch is about to be owned by a company in Belgium... so now I can say so all those joe six packs how they are drinking some unamerican beer

We can things made in america, we just have to work at wages that are competitive against other countries
lol really? That's going to be seriously funny. All the rednecks are talking about their american beer and nope... it's Belgian!
Old Nov 12, 2008 | 11:20 AM
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lol really? That's going to be seriously funny. All the rednecks are talking about their american beer and nope... it's Belgian!
welcome to months ago. they annouced this back in may? InBev is a much better company anyway.
Old Nov 12, 2008 | 11:23 AM
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Sorry, I have no beer gut. Nor do I keep up with who Bud is owned by
Old Nov 12, 2008 | 11:43 AM
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 11:46 AM
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i hope they pass this mortgage thing that locks the payments at 30% of your annual gross income... cause ive actually lost money this year. i can renegotiate the principal down and they would have to write me a check? lol
If only they would adjust how much I have to pay in rent as well! If that were the case, maybe I could buy that STI!
Old Nov 12, 2008 | 02:06 PM
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If only they would adjust how much I have to pay in rent as well! If that were the case, maybe I could buy that STI!
srlsy

If people get the government to lock in mortgages, how come I have to pay more and more every year for rent? I'm not the idiot who took out an ARM loan that I knew I couldn't afford 5 years from now damn it! Rent control only prevents it from increasing drastically.
Old Nov 12, 2008 | 03:52 PM
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GM is not going to go under....It won't happen. They need enough money to get them through to 2010 and their cost saving measures will start to take effect and that's when they predict the vehicle market will come back. The problem is indeed the Unions and finally they are starting to deal with them like they should have been. There is no way they can get rid of them at this point because they have been ingrained in the industry so long and have too much power.

The domino effect would be catastrophic to the US economy. You're talking about up to 2 million jobs in the auto companies and suppliers alone....And those suppliers don't just make parts for GM they also make parts for all the other automakers that have plants in the US. (Toyota, Ford, Chrysler, Honda) So a supplier going under negatively affects one of those automakers as well. Did you know that one of the largest customers of the US cattle industry is GM? All the leather seats they put into cars. How will that affect them? You see where this is going? I hated the bank bailout, but I don't think AIG going under would have had the same effect as GM going under. I also don't think GM shoulders the entirety of the blame for the situation they are in, like the financial institutions do. The reason GM is asking for money from the federal government in the form of a loan or "bailout" is because of the credit crisis and not being able to get a loan from a financial institution.
Sorry, at this point, there isn't much sympathy from me. Good companies shouldn't need loans or lines of credit for normal operation... the point is to make profits, what good are they if they cannot do that?
Old Nov 12, 2008 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by irrational x
i hope they pass this mortgage thing that locks the payments at 30% of your annual gross income... cause ive actually lost money this year. i can renegotiate the principal down and they would have to write me a check? lol
do you have a link to this?

that would raise the heck out of my mortgage if it's based on household income... or is it based on the mortgage holder's income only?

and that's pretty jacked up, it basically means that two people that own dramatically differently priced houses but make the same $$$ pay the same mortgage. and that my friends IS socialism.
Old Nov 12, 2008 | 09:40 PM
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do you have a link to this?

that would raise the heck out of my mortgage if it's based on household income... or is it based on the mortgage holder's income only?

and that's pretty jacked up, it basically means that two people that own dramatically differently priced houses but make the same $$$ pay the same mortgage. and that my friends IS socialism.
This probably wont happen. The treasury has no idea who is getting what money from their bazillion dollar giveaway. They're just making this up as they go along.

http://www.mlive.com/us-politics/ind...ral_bailo.html

"Over these past weeks, we have continued to examine the relative benefits of purchasing illiquid mortgage-related assets," said Paulson. "Our assessment at this time is that this is not the most effective way to use TARP funds."........

Paulson's announcement was a public acknowledgment by the administration that the hundreds of billions of dollars spent thus far to buy up complex mortgage-related assets were not solving the economic crisis that their misuse triggered, or helping to lubricate the dried-up credit markets.
Old Nov 13, 2008 | 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
Sorry, at this point, there isn't much sympathy from me. Good companies shouldn't need loans or lines of credit for normal operation... the point is to make profits, what good are they if they cannot do that?
I don't like it as much as the next guy, but if GM literally went belly up it would destroy the economy. There are so many industries that would be affected. And companies get loans and lines of credit all the time. Just normally from banks but the banks screwed themselves and everyone else with the sub prime mess....
Old Nov 13, 2008 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
Sorry, at this point, there isn't much sympathy from me. Good companies shouldn't need loans or lines of credit for normal operation... the point is to make profits, what good are they if they cannot do that?
you are seriously ****ing retarded, i cant bleive you actually just said this. it goes to prove how truly illiterate you are.



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