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The latest rumor...
...is that the United Stated used Napalm in Fallujah.
Leave it to al Jazzera to write a story about "poisonous gases" and weapons that haven't been in our arsenal since Vietnam...
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/new...ervice_id=5875
It just doesn't make sense for the military to use Napalm when we have termite bombs that literally turn everything to ash in milliseconds. Yes, the bombs used in The Rock do exist... they just added a cooler word like "plasma" to the end of it.
Poisonous gases aren't used in these types of operations because of risk to our own men along with chemical contamination, burns, death etc. I don't even think the U.S. Military has
any lethal cocktails of B/C weapons that aren't classified, if any at all. The only types of gases that are used are riot type gases, such as, CS that will make you do a little dance for fresh air, cry and possibly puke. The only way CS can kill you is if you're in an airtight room and they prescribe a very lethal dose which would flood the lungs with water.
Napalm is literally gasoline, JP5/JP7 (whatever) and a sticky agent like Styrofoam, laundry detergent or silicone. It can be made out of the same household materials that probably mixed and burned together in the city fires. I have no doubt that this is NOT our weapon because it's; a) illegal to use and; b) just really impractical, messy and inefficient compared to zip ties, CS grenades and an M4's. Why even bother using it in the first place? BTW this cannot be confused with WP grenades because that can be tested for and there wouldn't be anything left to burn. WP would eat the skin in a fraction of a second and would start burning a hole in the concrete within a few more. Not to mention, WP grenades aren’t used for personnel and are rarely used at all.
Just another lame attempt to jump to conclusions by people that have no idea what they're talking about. Good coverage al Jazzera!
Leave it to al Jazzera to write a story about "poisonous gases" and weapons that haven't been in our arsenal since Vietnam...
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/new...ervice_id=5875
The U.S. military is secretly using banned napalm gas and other outlawed weapons against civilians in the Iraqi city of Fallujah, eyewitnesses reported.
Residents in Fallujah reported that innocent civilians have been killed by napalm attacks, a poisonous cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel which makes the human body melt.
Since the U.S. offensive started in Fallujah earlier this month, there have been reports of “melted” bodies which proves that the napalm gas had been used.
"Poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah," 35-year-old Fallujah resident, Abu Hammad said. "They used everything -- tanks, artillery, infantry, and poisonous gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground." Hammad was living in the Julan district of Fallujah which witnessed some of the heaviest attacks.
Residents in Fallujah reported that innocent civilians have been killed by napalm attacks, a poisonous cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel which makes the human body melt.
Since the U.S. offensive started in Fallujah earlier this month, there have been reports of “melted” bodies which proves that the napalm gas had been used.
"Poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah," 35-year-old Fallujah resident, Abu Hammad said. "They used everything -- tanks, artillery, infantry, and poisonous gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground." Hammad was living in the Julan district of Fallujah which witnessed some of the heaviest attacks.
Poisonous gases aren't used in these types of operations because of risk to our own men along with chemical contamination, burns, death etc. I don't even think the U.S. Military has
any lethal cocktails of B/C weapons that aren't classified, if any at all. The only types of gases that are used are riot type gases, such as, CS that will make you do a little dance for fresh air, cry and possibly puke. The only way CS can kill you is if you're in an airtight room and they prescribe a very lethal dose which would flood the lungs with water.
Napalm is literally gasoline, JP5/JP7 (whatever) and a sticky agent like Styrofoam, laundry detergent or silicone. It can be made out of the same household materials that probably mixed and burned together in the city fires. I have no doubt that this is NOT our weapon because it's; a) illegal to use and; b) just really impractical, messy and inefficient compared to zip ties, CS grenades and an M4's. Why even bother using it in the first place? BTW this cannot be confused with WP grenades because that can be tested for and there wouldn't be anything left to burn. WP would eat the skin in a fraction of a second and would start burning a hole in the concrete within a few more. Not to mention, WP grenades aren’t used for personnel and are rarely used at all.
Just another lame attempt to jump to conclusions by people that have no idea what they're talking about. Good coverage al Jazzera!
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I like fire, so I decided to find out more about Napalm. Found out that it's been illegal for military use since 1980 (however the US never signed the treaty that made it illegal). But I also found that we admited using it (well, it wasn't exactly napalm because they used kerosene instead of gasoline...big f***ing difference) in this Iraq war about a year ago.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/ne...alm-iraq01.htm
"The Pentagon said it had not tried to deceive. It drew a distinction between traditional napalm, first invented in 1942, and the weapons dropped in Iraq, which it calls Mark 77 firebombs. They weigh 510lbs, and consist of 44lbs of polystyrene-like gel and 63 gallons of jet fuel.
Officials said that if journalists had asked about the firebombs their use would have been confirmed. A spokesman admitted they were "remarkably similar" to napalm but said they caused less environmental damage."_Article
Salty will say the source is fallible...but they have quotes from US military COs...so I don't know. But if we did use it a year ago, and admitted it, what is so far fetched about us using it now?
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/ne...alm-iraq01.htm
"The Pentagon said it had not tried to deceive. It drew a distinction between traditional napalm, first invented in 1942, and the weapons dropped in Iraq, which it calls Mark 77 firebombs. They weigh 510lbs, and consist of 44lbs of polystyrene-like gel and 63 gallons of jet fuel.
Officials said that if journalists had asked about the firebombs their use would have been confirmed. A spokesman admitted they were "remarkably similar" to napalm but said they caused less environmental damage."_Article
Salty will say the source is fallible...but they have quotes from US military COs...so I don't know. But if we did use it a year ago, and admitted it, what is so far fetched about us using it now?
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It's too hard to say really.
It just doesn't make sense to use napalm in a war that's already being closely watched by every armchair quarterback in the world. It also doesn't make too much sense to use napalm when there's other, more effective weapons in the U.S. arsenal.
It just doesn't make sense to use napalm in a war that's already being closely watched by every armchair quarterback in the world. It also doesn't make too much sense to use napalm when there's other, more effective weapons in the U.S. arsenal.
this makes my blood boil, al jazeera needs to stfu because they will report this crap all day long but won't condemn the torture an behaedings that are going on against innocent people by thier beloved islam. I would never kill anyone in they name of god. Oh yeah, by the way there isn't 72 virgins waiting for you, you idiotic excuses for humans.
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
this makes my blood boil, al jazeera needs to stfu because they will report this crap all day long but won't condemn the torture an behaedings that are going on against innocent people by thier beloved islam. I would never kill anyone in they name of god. Oh yeah, by the way there isn't 72 virgins waiting for you, you idiotic excuses for humans.
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
this makes my blood boil, al jazeera needs to stfu because they will report this crap all day long but won't condemn the torture an behaedings that are going on against innocent people by thier beloved islam. I would never kill anyone in they name of god. Oh yeah, by the way there isn't 72 virgins waiting for you, you idiotic excuses for humans.
Your post makes my blood boil.
Al jazeera is one sided. No s***. So is Fox...but you agree with their crap so it's ok.
Do you believe in eternal damnation or eternal heaven? If you do, don't you see that those beliefs are just as silly as believing there are 72 virgins waiting for you? In my belief system (the one that says have faith in HUMANS and treat people how you want to be treated), you are as idiotic an excuse for a human as they are.
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Do you believe in eternal damnation or eternal heaven? If you do, don't you see that those beliefs are just as silly as believing there are 72 virgins waiting for you? In my belief system (the one that says have faith in HUMANS and treat people how you want to be treated), you are as idiotic an excuse for a human as they are.
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Originally Posted by BOXRPWR
I pity you. Only a true fool would be unable to distinguish between the fundamental difference of a faith-based belief system that has among its 10 Commandments, "Thou Shall Not Kill" with a system that rewards the murder of innocents with a promise of eternal bliss.
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Originally Posted by BOXRPWR
I pity you. Only a true fool would be unable to distinguish between the fundamental difference of a faith-based belief system that has among its 10 Commandments, "Thou Shall Not Kill" with a system that rewards the murder of innocents with a promise of eternal bliss.
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Muslims cling to the Old Testament in a similar way that Christians do.
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Originally Posted by BOXRPWR
I pity you. Only a true fool would be unable to distinguish between the fundamental difference of a faith-based belief system that has among its 10 Commandments, "Thou Shall Not Kill" with a system that rewards the murder of innocents with a promise of eternal bliss.
As far as I know (I'm not religious, so I'm not sure...), the 10 commandments are in the old testament. The old testament is common to all types of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam (with some changes for each). You calling me a fool only reveals how little you know about the subject at hand, seeing as I know very little but obviously know more than you.
You want rewards for murder? How about the crusades. Christians may be subdued right now, but their history reveals as much murder as the history of Islam.
I don't need your pity, fool.
