Kerry comparison- What do we think?
Originally Posted by MVWRX
Did you ignore the years of propaganda the CIA threw in there?!?! You don't think that counts as 'instigating'?!?! What the hell planet are you from man?
Same source:
"...CIA sought to instigate a coup to prevent Allende from taking office after he won a plurality in the 4 September election and before..."
"...CIA provided weapons to one of the groups..."
I guess giving them guns isn't 'instigating' either
Same source:
"...CIA sought to instigate a coup to prevent Allende from taking office after he won a plurality in the 4 September election and before..."
"...CIA provided weapons to one of the groups..."
I guess giving them guns isn't 'instigating' either
Then, along came Pinochet to do it himself. Do you honestly think that the few propaganda pieces (created by failed chilean insurgent groups) are the reason Pinochet took over? Maybe you need to reread the source...the thousands of soldiers and guns outside the palace, supplied by PINOCHET, are what took Allende down. The counter-insurgency plan was also primarily Pinochet's. Yes, the CIA gathered information...but this happens everywhere. "Gathering information" isn't sending in the cavalry to kill the indians and install your guy (not much information would come out if it did.)
So where's that link again to the CIA enabling Pinochet's overthrow?
Originally Posted by MVWRX
"While Allende was in office, the 40 Committee approved the redirection of “Track I” operations that...funneled millions of dollars to strengthen opposition political parties. CIA also provided assistance to militant right-wing groups to undermine the President and create a tense environment." _CIA source again
THAT's what I call instigation.
THAT's what I call instigation.
"In spite of increased funding as directed by the 40*Committee, by August 1970 it was clear that the spoiling operation was not succeeding and that Allende and the UP had garnered such support that Allende was clearly the leading candidate."
This is BEFORE Pinochet. Allende won the election, and interference at that time actaully tended to strengthen his position.
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I think you were to busy frothing at the mouth to see the most pertinant quote
"While Allende was in office, the 40 Committee approved the redirection of “Track I” operations that...funneled millions of dollars to strengthen opposition political parties. CIA also provided assistance to militant right-wing groups to undermine the President and create a tense environment." _CIA source again
And where did Pinochet get the money to buy the guns? Hmm...
I also think you seriously underestimate the power of propeganda...look what Hitler did with it...he convinced a whole country to hate a whole religious group with propaganda...it's scarry, but propaganda does a whole lot (that's why our military/gov't spends so much EVERYTIME we get in conflicts/wars to make propaganda).
"While Allende was in office, the 40 Committee approved the redirection of “Track I” operations that...funneled millions of dollars to strengthen opposition political parties. CIA also provided assistance to militant right-wing groups to undermine the President and create a tense environment." _CIA source again
And where did Pinochet get the money to buy the guns? Hmm...
I also think you seriously underestimate the power of propeganda...look what Hitler did with it...he convinced a whole country to hate a whole religious group with propaganda...it's scarry, but propaganda does a whole lot (that's why our military/gov't spends so much EVERYTIME we get in conflicts/wars to make propaganda).
Last edited by MVWRX; Sep 15, 2004 at 04:22 PM.
Originally Posted by MVWRX
I think you were to busy frothing at the mouth to see the most pertinant quote
And where did Pinochet get the money to buy the guns? Hmm...
I also think you seriously underestimate the power of propeganda...look what Hitler did with it...he convinced a whole country to hate a whole religious group with propaganda...it's scarry, but propaganda does a whole lot (that's why our military/gov't spends so much EVERYTIME we get in conflicts/wars to make propaganda).
And where did Pinochet get the money to buy the guns? Hmm...
I also think you seriously underestimate the power of propeganda...look what Hitler did with it...he convinced a whole country to hate a whole religious group with propaganda...it's scarry, but propaganda does a whole lot (that's why our military/gov't spends so much EVERYTIME we get in conflicts/wars to make propaganda).
LOL, Pinochet didn't need to buy guns...because he was in command of Chile's army. They already HAD all the guns. The SAME ARMY that Chile had before Pinochet is the one that revolted with him. This is why Pinochet was able to take over; because he commanded the army.
And, if the propaganda campaign was what undermined Allende...why did Pinochet have to go around killing everyone who disagreed with him? They should've all hated Allende anyway, right? Well, they didnt' because the pre-1973 campaigns DID NOT WORK. Nothing the CIA did worked. What did the trick was Pinochet, a Chilean general with the support of the Chilean army.
Of course, you'd know that if you actually read the sites you listed, instead of just googling for headlines and putting them up.
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The clincher:
"One CIA contact was known to be involved in an abortive coup attempt on 29 June 1973, and another was involved in the successful 11 September 1973 coup."
Why would the CIA have a contact involved in the coup...oh yeah, you're right, they were just 'gathering information' hahahahahahahaha (yeah, I'm laughing at YOU now, didn't want to get personal but you have your head so far up the gov't's collective a** all you can taste is last night's dinner)
And with that, I vow not to post on this thread again.
"One CIA contact was known to be involved in an abortive coup attempt on 29 June 1973, and another was involved in the successful 11 September 1973 coup."
Why would the CIA have a contact involved in the coup...oh yeah, you're right, they were just 'gathering information' hahahahahahahaha (yeah, I'm laughing at YOU now, didn't want to get personal but you have your head so far up the gov't's collective a** all you can taste is last night's dinner)
And with that, I vow not to post on this thread again.
Originally Posted by MVWRX
The clincher:
"One CIA contact was known to be involved in an abortive coup attempt on 29 June 1973, and another was involved in the successful 11 September 1973 coup."
Why would the CIA have a contact involved in the coup...oh yeah, you're right, they were just 'gathering information' hahahahahahahaha (yeah, I'm laughing at YOU now, didn't want to get personal but you have your head so far up the gov't's collective a** all you can taste is last night's dinner)
And with that, I vow not to post on this thread again.
"One CIA contact was known to be involved in an abortive coup attempt on 29 June 1973, and another was involved in the successful 11 September 1973 coup."
Why would the CIA have a contact involved in the coup...oh yeah, you're right, they were just 'gathering information' hahahahahahahaha (yeah, I'm laughing at YOU now, didn't want to get personal but you have your head so far up the gov't's collective a** all you can taste is last night's dinner)
And with that, I vow not to post on this thread again.
Now, whether you'll post again or not...I'll point out misrepresentation of sources whenever I see it. Or, I'll stand corrected when you show something that actually proves the point about the CIA causing Pinochet to be able to take over Chile. But simply posting one line about "contacts" and then doing a "ha ha" doesn't prove the point. It just proves that you like to read what you would like into the source.
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
And with that, I vow not to post on this thread again.
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He's grasping at straws. It happens when anti gunner find that there is no logic to their reasoning.
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