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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Did you ignore the years of propaganda the CIA threw in there?!?! You don't think that counts as 'instigating'?!?! What the hell planet are you from man?

Same source:
"...CIA sought to instigate a coup to prevent Allende from taking office after he won a plurality in the 4 September election and before..."
"...CIA provided weapons to one of the groups..."
I guess giving them guns isn't 'instigating' either
They provided 3 weapons for a plot that FAILED. Read the article before you post it. The CIA was shocked by that earlier assassination in 1970 of Gen. Schneider. Its plan for a coup, (the one referred to in your post) was the failed 1970 plan. After that, the CIA realized (according to your own sources) that coup attempts would only strengthen Allende's position.

Then, along came Pinochet to do it himself. Do you honestly think that the few propaganda pieces (created by failed chilean insurgent groups) are the reason Pinochet took over? Maybe you need to reread the source...the thousands of soldiers and guns outside the palace, supplied by PINOCHET, are what took Allende down. The counter-insurgency plan was also primarily Pinochet's. Yes, the CIA gathered information...but this happens everywhere. "Gathering information" isn't sending in the cavalry to kill the indians and install your guy (not much information would come out if it did.)

So where's that link again to the CIA enabling Pinochet's overthrow?
Old Sep 15, 2004 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
"While Allende was in office, the 40 Committee approved the redirection of “Track I” operations that...funneled millions of dollars to strengthen opposition political parties. CIA also provided assistance to militant right-wing groups to undermine the President and create a tense environment." _CIA source again


THAT's what I call instigation.
Again, you didn't read the whole page. Here's what the page says about that operation:

"In spite of increased funding as directed by the 40*Committee, by August 1970 it was clear that the spoiling operation was not succeeding and that Allende and the UP had garnered such support that Allende was clearly the leading candidate."

This is BEFORE Pinochet. Allende won the election, and interference at that time actaully tended to strengthen his position.
Old Sep 15, 2004 | 04:20 PM
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I think you were to busy frothing at the mouth to see the most pertinant quote

"While Allende was in office, the 40 Committee approved the redirection of “Track I” operations that...funneled millions of dollars to strengthen opposition political parties. CIA also provided assistance to militant right-wing groups to undermine the President and create a tense environment." _CIA source again

And where did Pinochet get the money to buy the guns? Hmm...
I also think you seriously underestimate the power of propeganda...look what Hitler did with it...he convinced a whole country to hate a whole religious group with propaganda...it's scarry, but propaganda does a whole lot (that's why our military/gov't spends so much EVERYTIME we get in conflicts/wars to make propaganda).

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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 04:21 PM
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See above. You were too busy looking for headlines and not actually reading your sources to see what I posted.
Old Sep 15, 2004 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
I think you were to busy frothing at the mouth to see the most pertinant quote


And where did Pinochet get the money to buy the guns? Hmm...
I also think you seriously underestimate the power of propeganda...look what Hitler did with it...he convinced a whole country to hate a whole religious group with propaganda...it's scarry, but propaganda does a whole lot (that's why our military/gov't spends so much EVERYTIME we get in conflicts/wars to make propaganda).

LOL, Pinochet didn't need to buy guns...because he was in command of Chile's army. They already HAD all the guns. The SAME ARMY that Chile had before Pinochet is the one that revolted with him. This is why Pinochet was able to take over; because he commanded the army.

And, if the propaganda campaign was what undermined Allende...why did Pinochet have to go around killing everyone who disagreed with him? They should've all hated Allende anyway, right? Well, they didnt' because the pre-1973 campaigns DID NOT WORK. Nothing the CIA did worked. What did the trick was Pinochet, a Chilean general with the support of the Chilean army.

Of course, you'd know that if you actually read the sites you listed, instead of just googling for headlines and putting them up.
Old Sep 15, 2004 | 04:28 PM
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The clincher:
"One CIA contact was known to be involved in an abortive coup attempt on 29 June 1973, and another was involved in the successful 11 September 1973 coup."


Why would the CIA have a contact involved in the coup...oh yeah, you're right, they were just 'gathering information' hahahahahahahaha (yeah, I'm laughing at YOU now, didn't want to get personal but you have your head so far up the gov't's collective a** all you can taste is last night's dinner)

And with that, I vow not to post on this thread again.
Old Sep 15, 2004 | 04:32 PM
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
The clincher:
"One CIA contact was known to be involved in an abortive coup attempt on 29 June 1973, and another was involved in the successful 11 September 1973 coup."


Why would the CIA have a contact involved in the coup...oh yeah, you're right, they were just 'gathering information' hahahahahahahaha (yeah, I'm laughing at YOU now, didn't want to get personal but you have your head so far up the gov't's collective a** all you can taste is last night's dinner)

And with that, I vow not to post on this thread again.
That's exactly what "contact" as opposed to "operative" means. That's HOW they knew the coup was happening. So yes, that's what it means...the CIA pays people for information. That's exactly what is described on that page, which you would know if you would read it.

Now, whether you'll post again or not...I'll point out misrepresentation of sources whenever I see it. Or, I'll stand corrected when you show something that actually proves the point about the CIA causing Pinochet to be able to take over Chile. But simply posting one line about "contacts" and then doing a "ha ha" doesn't prove the point. It just proves that you like to read what you would like into the source.
Old Sep 15, 2004 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
And with that, I vow not to post on this thread again.
Wow, twice in a few hours... this sound fimiliar, MVWRX?


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He's grasping at straws. It happens when anti gunner find that there is no logic to their reasoning.
Old Sep 15, 2004 | 05:10 PM
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...'so suck on it....SUCK ON IT' (quote from the best Clinton impersonation I've ever heard from SNL)
Hmmm....he has an irrational fear of assault weapons (phallus) but invites us to orally copulate him.
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