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Originally Posted by sloppyjoe
This type of abortion had been performed many times up untill the partial-birth abortion act passed in 2003
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I apologized endlessly about that. And since then I usually don't make comments unless I have experienced what Im talking about. Oh and we broke up concerning other reasons about six months after that.
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Almost all of the embryos they use are from fertility clinics. In other words, they are 'spares' that people make in case the embryo they have implanted doesn't work. So these embryos would either A) be thrown away or B) used for stem cell research. Which option is better mother f***er?!?!
As you can see I take it very personally that people are so damn ignorant they think we are creating life just to kill it for the sake of research.
As you can see I take it very personally that people are so damn ignorant they think we are creating life just to kill it for the sake of research.
-- Sorry this pissed everyone off so much, but I did not intend for it to be such a strong statement. Regardless the statement is true if applied to stem cell research and whether the life was created in a fertility clinic or a research lab is irrelevant. It might be very vague and harsh sounding but that is the name of the game.
The current rules put in place by the Clinton administration allow stem-cell research using embryos if the work is funded by private money and the embryos come from fertility clinics and would otherwise be discarded. And I don't have a problem with that. In fact I agree that they should be used for research rather than wasted.
I think the problem starts with the fertility clinics. They need to stop producing such a massive surplus of embryos. But that is another issue for another time.
And if you think the only option for these embryos is destruction through either stem-cell research, or by the clinics producing them then you are the one who is wrong. The reason the clinics destroy them is because 1: they produce too many and 2: the would be mothers of these embyos will not let them be adopted by another family; wich is a viable option.
Again, this is a very important issue to me and I am well informed on it, but I am also torn between morality and the benefits it could posses for my family and others like it.
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
I dated a girl that had a abortion. The reason I found out was because I was telling her how I thought most people that had abortions just were not careful. And gave several examples of friends. She got real quiet and said, "I don't think this is going to work out." She then told me she had a abortion. Didn't go into it much with her and out of respect I won't say everything she told me. But needless to say she was scarred about it emotionally till this day. Also she informed how it was just that, an accident. And she was on the pill when it happened. She didn't have a partial-birth abortion but I assure you no women wants to go through that event, unless its needed. And so I still strongly disagree with passing laws, including partial-birth abortion act passed in 2003, since it usually used for the right reasons. On top of that this is usually a religious thing not a moral thing.
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I apologized endlessly about that. And since then I usually don't make comments unless I have experienced what Im talking about. Oh and we broke up concerning other reasons about six months after that.
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I apologized endlessly about that. And since then I usually don't make comments unless I have experienced what Im talking about. Oh and we broke up concerning other reasons about six months after that.
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Originally Posted by sloppyjoe
"They create life-- then they destroy it in the name of research."
-- Sorry this pissed everyone off so much, but I did not intend for it to be such a strong statement. Regardless the statement is true if applied to stem cell research and whether the life was created in a fertility clinic or a research lab is irrelevant. It might be very vague and harsh sounding but that is the name of the game.
The current rules put in place by the Clinton administration allow stem-cell research using embryos if the work is funded by private money and the embryos come from fertility clinics and would otherwise be discarded. And I don't have a problem with that. In fact I agree that they should be used for research rather than wasted.
I think the problem starts with the fertility clinics. They need to stop producing such a massive surplus of embryos. But that is another issue for another time.
And if you think the only option for these embryos is destruction through either stem-cell research, or by the clinics producing them then you are the one who is wrong. The reason the clinics destroy them is because 1: they produce too many and 2: the would be mothers of these embyos will not let them be adopted by another family; wich is a viable option.
Again, this is a very important issue to me and I am well informed on it, but I am also torn between morality and the benefits it could posses for my family and others like it.
-- Sorry this pissed everyone off so much, but I did not intend for it to be such a strong statement. Regardless the statement is true if applied to stem cell research and whether the life was created in a fertility clinic or a research lab is irrelevant. It might be very vague and harsh sounding but that is the name of the game.
The current rules put in place by the Clinton administration allow stem-cell research using embryos if the work is funded by private money and the embryos come from fertility clinics and would otherwise be discarded. And I don't have a problem with that. In fact I agree that they should be used for research rather than wasted.
I think the problem starts with the fertility clinics. They need to stop producing such a massive surplus of embryos. But that is another issue for another time.
And if you think the only option for these embryos is destruction through either stem-cell research, or by the clinics producing them then you are the one who is wrong. The reason the clinics destroy them is because 1: they produce too many and 2: the would be mothers of these embyos will not let them be adopted by another family; wich is a viable option.
Again, this is a very important issue to me and I am well informed on it, but I am also torn between morality and the benefits it could posses for my family and others like it.
True, those are some good points. Didn't mean to get all bent out of shape, but like I said, it's a pretty personal subject with me and ignorance gets me pissed. Sounds like you have an idea of what you're talking about though, I can understand not wanting as many unused embryos produced in the first place.
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Originally Posted by constellation
Well, at least halo comes out next week.
hella, i think you owe us all a drink
hella, i think you owe us all a drink
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
Ok, how about we have a Halo party somewhere. That sounds nerdy, huh.
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
True, those are some good points. Didn't mean to get all bent out of shape, but like I said, it's a pretty personal subject with me and ignorance gets me pissed. Sounds like you have an idea of what you're talking about though, I can understand not wanting as many unused embryos produced in the first place.
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Originally Posted by sloppyjoe
It sounds like a good opportuninty to whoop your liberal ***!
Are you guys serious about a Halo party?
Are you guys serious about a Halo party?Who said you were invited you crazy SoCaler.
Hey, where abouts are you located in SoCal? I'm heading down to visit my parents in So Cal tomorrow. Carlsbad to be exact.-Chris
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Originally Posted by bassplayrr
Who said you were invited you crazy SoCaler. Hey, where abouts are you located in SoCal? I'm heading down to visit my parents in So Cal tomorrow. Carlsbad to be exact.
-Chris
Hey, where abouts are you located in SoCal? I'm heading down to visit my parents in So Cal tomorrow. Carlsbad to be exact.-Chris
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Originally Posted by ericdared81
Well stem cell research is wrong but killing over 100,000 iraqi's to get rid of (ghost) WMD's is morally "right". (pun intended)
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Originally Posted by scoobsport98
good point... that does seem quite hypocritical
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
I dated a girl that had a abortion. The reason I found out was because I was telling her how I thought most people that had abortions just were not careful. And gave several examples of friends. She got real quiet and said, "I don't think this is going to work out." She then told me she had a abortion. Didn't go into it much with her and out of respect I won't say everything she told me. But needless to say she was scarred about it emotionally till this day. Also she informed how it was just that, an accident. And she was on the pill when it happened. She didn't have a partial-birth abortion but I assure you no women wants to go through that event, unless its needed. And so I still strongly disagree with passing laws, including partial-birth abortion act passed in 2003, since it usually used for the right reasons. On top of that this is usually a religious thing not a moral thing.
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I apologized endlessly about that. And since then I usually don't make comments unless I have experienced what Im talking about. Oh and we broke up concerning other reasons about six months after that.
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I apologized endlessly about that. And since then I usually don't make comments unless I have experienced what Im talking about. Oh and we broke up concerning other reasons about six months after that.
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Originally Posted by wssboard18
I am not directing this towards you, but your coments sparked my intrest. Getting pregnant is not an accident htere is always a choice to have sex or not (except rape victims) and if you can't handle the results of your choices then don't have sex. It s called responsability!! There is also the option of putting the kid up for adoption too.
Oh come on. Be realistic here, do you expect your kids not to have sex? I didn't bother asking if her boyfriend wore a condom but she was a very careful girl, ie on the pill etc... She was not in a position in her life to have a child. She was a student and so was he. What do you expect her to do to bear a child for 9 months while going to school, then suffer through the emotional pain of a adoption. And if she decide to keep it instead of put it up for adoption she and her boyfriend at the time would of had to leave school. On top of all this the chances of the guy leaving her and having her take care of the child on her own would mean she would be screwed even more. Its not like she "loved" this guy. I personaly think she made the right choice.