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Originally Posted by pbchief2
Deyes try this link
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Originally Posted by deyes
Thanks, they don't say where they get the embryo's from so I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say that they come from abortions, no? I'm not for banning abortions, but I find them morally appauling! There are very few cases where I would find them morally acceptable, and I am not of a mind to say "Well people are doing it so we might as well use them for research.". At what point is it that abortion clinics exist to perform abortions for the benefit of the expectant mother or to "harvest" stem cells from aborted embryos?
They use eggs that would be thrown away. They don't take them from mothers. I don't know where your getting this from. Abortions are not a easy thing for woman to have, I wish we had a woman in here she could explain it better than I could ever wish too. Simply put its a very emotional and physical ordeal. No one in there right mind would have a partial birth abortion. Don't fall for that gemic that the religious right is spewing.
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The egg must be fertilizes before it can become an embryo so they do get them from mothers. If not you are telling me that they are from envitro ferilization? I highly doubt that since the success rate for envitro is so small.
Last edited by deyes; Nov 3, 2004 at 02:40 PM.
Originally Posted by deyes
The egg must be fertilizes before it can become an embryo so no. Are you telling me that they are from envitro ferilization? I highly doubt that since the success rate for envitro is so small.
Better question: Are you a catholic?
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
When do you think life starts?
Better question: Are you a catholic?
Better question: Are you a catholic?
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
When do you think life starts?
Better question: Are you a catholic?
Better question: Are you a catholic?
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
If death is the when the heart and brainwaves cease, I'd logically say that life starts when they start.
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
They use eggs that would be thrown away. They don't take them from mothers.]
Originally Posted by Unregistered
No one in there right mind would have a partial birth abortion.
Originally Posted by sloppyjoe
But new embrios will be needed in order to continue research, and they have to come from somewhere don't they?
The stem cells come from embryos that would be discarded after a couple has been successfully (or unsuccessfully) fertilized through in utero fertilization. They are just going to be thrown away. We might as well use them to do some living humans some good.
Go here and read about it before you develop your opinion.
http://stemcells.nih.gov/index.asp
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Originally Posted by njc200
Everyone who opposes stem cell research really needs to do some research on the topic before they talk about it.
The stem cells come from embryos that would be discarded after a couple has been successfully (or unsuccessfully) fertilized through in utero fertilization. They are just going to be thrown away. We might as well use them to do some living humans some good.
Go here and read about it before you develop your opinion.
http://stemcells.nih.gov/index.asp
The stem cells come from embryos that would be discarded after a couple has been successfully (or unsuccessfully) fertilized through in utero fertilization. They are just going to be thrown away. We might as well use them to do some living humans some good.
Go here and read about it before you develop your opinion.
http://stemcells.nih.gov/index.asp
I don't think that because these embryos are being created in petri dishes we should disreguard the fact that they are still potential human beings.
I stand nuetral on the issue. It is too hard of a decision for me to make.
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Originally Posted by sloppyjoe
I know how the research is performed. They create life-- then they destroy it in the name of research.
I don't think that because these embryos are being created in petri dishes we should disreguard the fact that they are still potential human beings.
I stand nuetral on the issue. It is too hard of a decision for me to make.
I don't think that because these embryos are being created in petri dishes we should disreguard the fact that they are still potential human beings.
I stand nuetral on the issue. It is too hard of a decision for me to make.
Your sperm is a potential human heing. Stop nutting in a towel. The "life" is leftovers from invitro fertilization that would otherwise be thrown away. Do you propose we do away with I.F.?
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Originally Posted by sloppyjoe
I know how the research is performed. They create life-- then they destroy it in the name of research.
I don't think that because these embryos are being created in petri dishes we should disreguard the fact that they are still potential human beings.
I stand nuetral on the issue. It is too hard of a decision for me to make.
I don't think that because these embryos are being created in petri dishes we should disreguard the fact that they are still potential human beings.
I stand nuetral on the issue. It is too hard of a decision for me to make.
Almost all of the embryos they use are from fertility clinics. In other words, they are 'spares' that people make in case the embryo they have implanted doesn't work. So these embryos would either A) be thrown away or B) used for stem cell research. Which option is better mother f***er?!?!
As you can see I take it very personally that people are so damn ignorant they think we are creating life just to kill it for the sake of research.
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Almost all of the embryos they use are from fertility clinics. In other words, they are 'spares' that people make in case the embryo they have implanted doesn't work. So these embryos would either A) be thrown away or B) used for stem cell research. Which option is better mother f***er?!?!
As you can see I take it very personally that people are so damn ignorant they think we are creating life just to kill it for the sake of research.
As you can see I take it very personally that people are so damn ignorant they think we are creating life just to kill it for the sake of research.
I know how the research is performed. They create life-- then they destroy it in the name of research.
I don't think that because these embryos are being created in petri dishes we should disreguard the fact that they are still potential human beings.
I stand nuetral on the issue. It is too hard of a decision for me to make.
I don't think that because these embryos are being created in petri dishes we should disreguard the fact that they are still potential human beings.
I stand nuetral on the issue. It is too hard of a decision for me to make.
eerk. Dude, there is an almost infinite span between "potential life" and "life". Taken from that stance, every time you masterbate, you are killing literally MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of "potential" human beings. Its a damn near genocide every time you log into your favorite **** site. If we started looking at objects for only their potential, then we would be too afraid to create or destroy anthing, and we'd lay on our backs until we died. That approach doesnt work, and to claim you know how the procedure works, then to say "they create life, then destroy it for the purpose of reasearch" is laughably rediculous. Everyone i've talked to who is against it either does not understand the procedure, or is too hellbent on the catholic definition of "life".


