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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 11:21 AM
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Your saying that you want liberals to accept the possibility that our founding fathers wanted a christian state?
Based on the fact they're willing to accept an Islamic state, yes.
Old Nov 11, 2004 | 11:27 AM
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I don't doubt that the founding fathers DID want a Christian state...as long as it was their type of Christian. The thing is, they were wrong to want that. Don't rely on the founding fathers like they were gods...they were only men as we are now. Fallable, and sometimes selfish, their plans were not perfect. And about liberals 'caring' more about Muslims than Christians...whatever man, liberals care about whoever is in need of help. At the current moment, in America, Muslims have a lot more to fear than Christians on a day-to-day basis. So of course liberals want to make sure their rights are not infringed upon.

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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
At the current moment, in America, Muslims have a lot more to fear than Christians on a day-to-day basis.
You're joking, right?
I can't think of one Christian-sponsored act of terrorism that has occured since Sept 11th.
Old Nov 11, 2004 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Oaf
You're joking, right?
I can't think of one Christian-sponsored act of terrorism that has occured since Sept 11th.

I said nothing about who is "sponsoring" terrorism. I'm saying that day to day, Muslims in America face more people who hate/fear/prejudge them than Christians in America.

And do you really think Muslims all know about every act of terrorism done by Muslims? It's not like because a Muslim does a terrorist act that he/she won't kill Muslims along with all the American Christians, Agnostics, Jews, and Athiests. The terrorists don't discriminate among their victims...that's part of the point of terrorism. So it doesn't matter who does the terrorism if you're looking at who is more at risk.

So like I said, day-to-day, Muslims living in America have more to fear than Chrisitans living in America.

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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 02:10 PM
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I'm sorry, maybe I wasn't clear.

You claim that followers of Islam have more to fear than Christians.
I said that there has not been any terrorist activity against any Muslims, that I'm aware of, since Sept. 11th.
Sure, there may have been a beating or three, but non-Muslims have not waged a terror campaign against those that follow Islam.
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Originally Posted by Oaf
I'm sorry, maybe I wasn't clear.

You claim that followers of Islam have more to fear than Christians.
I said that there has not been any terrorist activity against any Muslims, that I'm aware of, since Sept. 11th.
Sure, there may have been a beating or three, but non-Muslims have not waged a terror campaign against those that follow Islam.

This is true. But there hasn't been any terrorist activity against any Christians either (for the fact that they're Christians). The terrorism is against Americans. Their religion is inconsequential to the terrorists. America is what's seen as an 'evil empire' to terrorists.
Old Nov 11, 2004 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Oaf
..... there has not been any terrorist activity against any Muslims, that I'm aware of, since Sept. 11th. .
I think there are a lot of car bombing victims in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan who would disagree with that sentiment.

Originally Posted by Oaf
.....but non-Muslims have not waged a terror campaign against those that follow Islam.
And I'd guess there are several hundred thousand innocent civillians in those countries that feel that this is exactly what the US is doing, nothing less.

But you probably don't consider them people, so what does their opinion count for?
Old Nov 11, 2004 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by psoper
I think there are a lot of car bombing victims in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan who would disagree with that sentiment.
You cut out the whole point of that line. "Christian-sponsored"
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