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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 10:07 AM
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last i heard the antartic ice has reached record high levels..

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are you ****ing serious!?!

Quoting Savage as if it was a ****ing scientific journal! omfg that is insane
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are you ****ing serious!?!

Quoting Savage as if it was a ****ing scientific journal! omfg that is insane
Is it?

He's compiled a list of pretty good scientific based articles, stories, evidence that shows Human Caused Global Warming is suspect.

To me, it appears that you should read more books.
Old Aug 6, 2008 | 11:14 AM
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I have to agree with Paul. Those that do not listen to Savage may believe him to be a tool of the right wing. They could not be more wrong. Those that listen know he is anything but. Get over yourselves and have a listen. Listen for a while. You'll understand in time. The man is freakin' brilliant.
Old Aug 6, 2008 | 11:58 AM
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I can't believe we're still talking about this. Do humans contribute to a changing environment? Of course, certainly to some degree. Do humans contribute to such a degree that they themselves can drastically alter their habits, there by nullifying environmental change overall? Doubtful. I'm all for caring for the environment and do it at every oppurtunity. I'm an avid outdoorsman and seriously care about keep things "green". That said however I don't feel that even if all people tried to be more environmentally friendly things would change much. Explain the ice age, do you think cavemen men and woolly mammoths got really irresponsible with their camp fires and spear building and brought drastic temperature change upon themselves? If you do then I can see how Al Gore would seem so credible. Face it, the earth changes and goes through cycles. I'm still not using a catalytic converter though.
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Is it?

He's compiled a list of pretty good scientific based articles, stories, evidence that shows Human Caused Global Warming is suspect.

To me, it appears that you should read more books.
Yes it is.

Do we contribute, yes. Green house gases are green house gases. We add more than nature does, we are contributing. Are we the reason THE reason, of course not.

But Savage, sorry, he is truly an idiot. He may read journals or what have you, but his opinions are stupid.

I've listened to his show on many occasions, a lot actually when I was in HS, and even then I knew most of what he talks about is great, he gets the topics on there, but his opinions on life are just plain stupid. He tries to connect dots when the dots just aren't there.

It's really simple... we need to do more to curb how we pollute, cause in the long run, it's going to be pretty bad for humans. Too many people are out there not caring, and are pretty inconsiderate of trashing the planet.

I'm a pretty conservative dude. But I'm NOT some social-conservative, like Savage. don't get me wrong now, I hate social-liberals all the same.
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Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
Yes it is.

Do we contribute, yes. Green house gases are green house gases. We add more than nature does, we are contributing. Are we the reason THE reason, of course not.
Not true. The Number One contributor of CO2 emissions is Nature herself.

Here is a quote from the article (which is written by a scientist that works directly with "global warming):"

But since 1999 new evidence has seriously weakened the case that carbon emissions are the main cause of global warming, and by 2007 the evidence was pretty conclusive that carbon played only a minor role and was not the main cause of the recent global warming.
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But Savage, sorry, he is truly an idiot. He may read journals or what have you, but his opinions are stupid.
Let's digress:

Are you for protecting the borders, the language, and the culture of the United States?
Do you desire oil independence for America?
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Global warming? It's natural, say experts

Some scientists have suggested global warming is due to a natural 1,500-year cycle

Global warming is a natural event and the effects are not all bad, two respected researchers claimed yesterday.


Authors Dennis Avery and Fred Singer looked at the work of more than 500 scientists and argue that these experts are doubtful the phenomenon is caused by man-made greenhouse gases.

Climate change is much more likely to be part of a cycle of warming and cooling that has happened regularly every 1,500 years for the last million years, they say.
Analysis Finds Hundreds of Scientists Have Published Evidence Countering Man-Made Global Warming Fears

A new analysis of peer-reviewed literature reveals that more than 500 scientists have published evidence refuting at least one element of current man-made global warming scares. More than 300 of the scientists found evidence that 1) a natural moderate 1,500-year climate cycle has produced more than a dozen global warmings similar to ours since the last Ice Age and/or that 2) our Modern Warming is linked strongly to variations in the sun's irradiance. "This data and the list of scientists make a mockery of recent claims that a scientific consensus blames humans as the primary cause of global temperature increases since 1850," said Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Dennis Avery.
Greenland ice yields hope on climate

An international team of scientists, drilling deep into the ice layers of Greenland, has found DNA from ancient spiders and trees, evidence that suggests the frozen shield covering the immense island survived the earth's last period of global warming.

Greenland really was green, before Ice Age glaciers enshrouded vast swaths of the Northern Hemisphere.

Old Aug 6, 2008 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Not true. The Number One contributor of CO2 emissions is Nature herself.

Here is a quote from the article (which is written by a scientist that works directly with "global warming):"





Let's digress:

Are you for protecting the borders, the language, and the culture of the United States?
Do you desire oil independence for America?
what I meant was "we add in addition to nature"

Of course I want all those things. But how we do that matters, and I don't agree with Savage.
Old Aug 23, 2008 | 08:13 PM
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Savage is brilliant, i love that dude.
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The world has never seen such freezing heat


A surreal scientific blunder last week raised a huge question mark about the temperature records that underpin the worldwide alarm over global warming. On Monday, Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which is run by Al Gore's chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, and is one of four bodies responsible for monitoring global temperatures, announced that last month was the hottest October on record....

...This was startling. Across the world there were reports of unseasonal snow and plummeting temperatures last month, from the American Great Plains to China, and from the Alps to New Zealand. China's official news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its "worst snowstorm ever". In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years...


Cliff Notes: ALGORE's chief witch doctor lied.
Old Nov 17, 2008 | 09:46 PM
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I'm a skeptic as well... I'm all for green technology, but don't believe that man is causing global warming.

We've only been recording temperatures accurately for a short amount of time. Over the past 100 years we've been recording the temperature of the ocean, which has been proven inaccurate. The most accurate temperature to gauge global temperatures are the air temperatures above the ocean.

Global warming alarmists have claimed that the Earth has increased in temperature by 0.55*C in the last hundred years. When, in fact temperatures have dropped 0.75*C as of 2007 according to all four major global temperature tracking outlets.

As of 2008 NPR said that Global Warming must be taking a breather because of the data NASA discovered after launching thousands of robot divers to get ocean temperatures all over the world and realized that they are not increasing... right.

One volcanic eruption can spew more green house gas into the atmosphere than this country has in its entire history and mother nature has always found a way to absorb them without even batting an eye. I.e. how the ocean cleanses itself when the massive amounts of oil that seep from the ocean floor do so.
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I agree that we don't know **** cause the earth has been here for millions of years and we only have so much written evidence and only so much evidence using carbon dating and other very accurate techniques in testing age and materials...

But one cannot deny that we have immensely accelerated the amounts of green house gases in the atmosphere. Or that polar ice caps are indeed melting and retreating (could be a good reason why the ocean temps haven't gone up)... So there are changes happening, we may not be the single cause, but are a significant contributor, and THAT is what the focus should be, how do we cut down the impact we have on the environment...
Old Nov 17, 2008 | 10:38 PM
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Al Gore and his cronies are a bunch of jagoffs...... but if there's anything good to take away from their exaggerating is that Gore did help bring the issue to the forefront. Right or wrong about their findings, I think everyone can agree that it's important that we do keep an eye on it and do what we can to reduce our affect in it.
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Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
But one cannot deny that we have immensely accelerated the amounts of green house gases in the atmosphere. Or that polar ice caps are indeed melting and retreating (could be a good reason why the ocean temps haven't gone up)... So there are changes happening, we may not be the single cause, but are a significant contributor, and THAT is what the focus should be, how do we cut down the impact we have on the environment...
Please see post #24.
No offense, but if the ice melted, the temperature of the oceans would decrease.

Originally Posted by Superglue WRX
Al Gore and his cronies are a bunch of jagoffs...... but if there's anything good to take away from their exaggerating is that Gore did help bring the issue to the forefront. Right or wrong about their findings, I think everyone can agree that it's important that we do keep an eye on it and do what we can to reduce our affect in it.
Nothing like making a mountain out of a mole hill using fear bs science.
But you are correct, people need to do better.
Old Nov 18, 2008 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
I agree that we don't know **** cause the earth has been here for millions of years and we only have so much written evidence and only so much evidence using carbon dating and other very accurate techniques in testing age and materials...

But one cannot deny that we have immensely accelerated the amounts of green house gases in the atmosphere. Or that polar ice caps are indeed melting and retreating (could be a good reason why the ocean temps haven't gone up)... So there are changes happening, we may not be the single cause, but are a significant contributor, and THAT is what the focus should be, how do we cut down the impact we have on the environment...
I completely agree that we need to cut down our impact which we have on our environment, however I don't agree with the idea that humans are having this huge impact on the planet. Like I said, one volcanic eruption threw more green house gases into the air than our whole country has in its history... the Earth can handle it. Does it make polluting right, heck no.

We have been taking the Earth's "vitals" accurately for a short period of time so for us to even diagnosis something is a SWAG, and for us to name a culprit to the cause of the diagnosis is a joke. Cows have been farting and emitting methane gas for thousands of years! Image the methane involved in a dinosaur fart... not to mention the billions of other animals that have been roaming the Earth.

Global Warming is political and Al Gore's Carbon Off Sets are hilarious. I think a lot of disbelievers only let it go along without question because we are all for the green technology and humans treating the environment better.



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