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Old 06-05-2007, 10:06 AM
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If we started this earlier....

.. do you think we might have prevented 9-11?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/we...erland&emc=rss
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Old 06-05-2007, 12:10 PM
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Survival, Evasion, Reconnaissance and Escape? A lot has changed since I was at Camp Mackall. What exactly are the students pulling recon on? The gun tower? I'll have to let the guys at A/2/1 SWTG(A) know that their program has changed. This isn’t the first time the NYT has screwed-up a detail that can be googled in 2 seconds. Makes you automatically question the credibility of the article.

...said Charles A. Morgan III, a Yale psychiatrist who has worked closely with SERE trainers for a decade.

“How did something used as an example of what an unethical government would do become something we do?” he asked.
This article is such crap. Gotta love the slant. I dunno, maybe we shouldn't use these tactics? I just find it funny that this so-called physiologist would sign-off on such an "appalling tactic" to be used in a US military school on our own men and women first. Why hasn't anyone asked that question?

I'm not saying we pull-out the Al Qaeda handbook on torture to get answers. I think that would cross the line as something an unethical government would do. I'm just tired of people thinking intel can be extracted from terrorists with tea and crumpets.

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Old 06-05-2007, 12:25 PM
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anxiety, fatigue, lack of sleep, uncomfortable temperatures, and chronic hunger produce disturbances of mood, attitudes and behavior in nearly all prisoners.
Oh, Pish tosh! Guard! My room is not at 72 degrees!

This is uber ridiculous. If you take out "prisoners" in the last sentence and replace it with "Soldier" you'd think it was an excerpt out of the effects of combat & most military schools handbook.
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Originally Posted by Salty
Survival, Evasion, Reconnaissance and Escape? A lot has changed since I was at Camp Mackall. What exactly are the students pulling recon on? The gun tower? I'll have to let the guys at A/2/1 SWTG(A) know that their program has changed. This isn’t the first time the NYT has screwed-up a detail that can be googled in 2 seconds. Makes you automatically question the credibility of the article.
I might've misread but I think they got it right. In the 3rd para, they state Surv, Ev, Resistance, and Esc. Did they err elsewhere in the article or am I smoking crack?
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They edited. I cut and paste.
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This article really pissed me off...

I bet Charles A. Morgan III from this article is the type of person that wants federal-level justice for terrorist/insurgents when we don't even offer that to our own troops.
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