"Leave the gays out?" Where am I the one attempting to exclude them from anything?

Where do I draw the line? What line? Who am I to tell any two people on the planet they shouldn't be allowed to legally benefit from the loving relationship they believe they have? Why should I get to deny them the legal rights, benefits, and obligations of marriage, just because I personally wouldn't do so with a male?

 

I think you know what line. Nice attempt to generalize my belief as one of an inbred zealot whose only philosophy lies in what he's been told and an inability to think for himself.
If you legalize same sex marriage you have to legalize marriage between a man and a tree, a man and a cat, a man and his sister a man and a hampster, polygamy, an imaginary friend or even his right hand. It wouldn't be fair to others who "don't happen to share the same belief as you".
That would make "marriage as we know it irrelevent and virtually by defenition, meaningless.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

You must have missed the part where I said "any two people on the planet." Stop trying to pretend that traditional marriages are somehow more "human" than homosexual ones. Deal with them being different than you, and move on. It would be a lot harder to paint you as an ignorant zealot if you didn't act like one.

 

How are a man and a man different than a man and a group of women, or even, men?

Sorry but, in my opinion they are "more human", marriage was origionally meant as a form of unity for pro-creation. And as you said I'm entitled to my opinion. But I guess you don't really respect my opinion.
You can't just go changing what things have come to mean on a whim. Then they will grow to have no meaning. Wich is my point.

Really, are they different, I didn't notice.

So I'm ignorant because I don't share the same opinion as you?

One last time for the record I'm not anti gay, I am anti gay marriage though. I don't care what they do as long as they keep it away from me. I have a gay uncle who I love just as much as if he was straight. That doesn't mean I have to agree with what he does.

I have respect for what marriage means between me and my wife.

Once again, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. You're belief doesn't mean you're wrong, and my belief doesn't mean I'm ignorant.

Btw, I think it's an E-class.

 

That first statement is the only thing you've said that I'm actually arguing with you about. I'm not chastising you for not approving of homosexual marriage. You're completely entitled to your opinions. I'm just telling you that, despite your insistence to the contrary, you ARE anti-gay. The second sentence I quoted both demonstrates this, and invalidates your primary reasoning for both being homophobic and refuting the right to gay marriage. How does a homosexual couple getting married affect IN ANY WAY the loving bond between you and your wife? Do you think the clergymean who married the two of you, and the family and friends who witnessed the blessed event, would think differently about it, even in the slightest, because in some other place, two men or two women who felt about each other the same way you and your wife feel also wanted to have the same sanctifying ceremony demonstrating their love and commitment to each other in front of THEIR family and friends?

What about the people (about 65% of them last I checked) who cheapen the so-called sanctity of marriage by breaking the same vows you took by divorcing? Are you claiming that homosexuals can't be as loving, caring, and committed as straight people? I say, 5 years after the inevitable striking down of gay marriage bans, the divorce rates among same-sex couples is significantly lower than that of heterosexual couples.

As for "agreeing to disagree"- you don't seem to understand that concept. You disagree with a behavior that other people agree with, but you want to prevent them from doing it.

You have a gay uncle- spiffy. I suppose your lack of total rejection of him must mean you're a world class humanitarian, tolerant of people who don't agree with you. Let me ask you this- if it were within your power, would you magically "convert" him back to heterosexuality? Would you tell him, in your best tolerant tone, that you firmly believe he should not be allowed to marry, just because you can't accept that he can actually love one other man for the rest of his life? Point is, are you really tolerant of his lifestyle, or are you just paying lip service?