Kevin M

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Paul, you're complaining about a judge who disagrees with the opinion of CALIFORNIA voters at large? The same people who make, in your estimation, stupid, retarded, and downright silly decisions every march and november?Are you feeling okay?

While I see your point about "blurring the line" I must say that this is only the first of many anti-gay marriage laws that are going to be stricken down by the courts, since they are all in violation of the Civil Rights Act and other legislation.

To use your reasoning, replace "same-sex marriage" with "inter-racial" or "inter-denominational" marriage and you'll see the legal basis for overturning all anti-homosexual legislation.

VIBEELEVEN

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Marraige is a religious event, and it has always been, the government only got into it to make money.

I'm fine with homos wanting a legal civil union, but this is crap. What it amounts too is the gay mafia whining about how they're not equal and how they don't have any rights when in actuality they have more rights you or I. We would get fired or let go from our jobs way before they would let a gay go. Can you say... lawsuit. Gimme a friggin break, I'm so sick of this crap. If I don't agree with some dude wanting to put his ******* into some other dudes hairy butt, I'm automatically labeled insensetive and intolerant. I've had gays hit on me before and I felt violated, ashamed and offended. WTF about my feeling?. I walk into my bank and see gay pride week rainbows everywhere and am not expected to be uncomfortable? If that was a cross the supreme court would defenitely be involved.

I'm not intolerant, anti gay or against gays being together, I just want them to keep thier beanpoles away from me, and quit trying to ram thier sexuality bown my throat(no pun intended).

We could always use the southpark term "garrige".

Kevin M

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Yes you are. Did you not read the previous paragraph in your post?

VIBEELEVEN

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I'm not against them being together, just being married, I'm sure mr. webster would agree that they were two different things. I don't feel there is a need for it. Marriag is between a man and a woman. How do you feel about mormans pestering and trying to convert you? Pretty irritated I bet.

Quote me where I said I was anti gay please.

dub2w

who is mr. webster? oh, i think i get it. you know he's gay right? yeah, merriam-webster were waaaay close

Kevin M

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Okay.

And as for this:
Yeah, it irritates me. But how is that less acceptable than religious and social conservatives trying to tell Joe and Jack how to live their own damn lives? Hypocrisy demonstrates ignorance in my book.

-j-

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Woah!

VIBEELEVEN

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Did you even try to understand what I'm talking about, or did you just want to make a smart *** comment?

What I was saying is that how could you say I'm anti gay when I blatently stated that I'm not. One more time [spoonfeed] having a boyfriend-girlfriend-life partner is not the same as marriage [/spoonfeed] Wher mr. webster comes in is defining that being"together" and being "married" are two different things. If I was anti gay I would have said that a man and a man should not be together, but guess what ... I didn't I said I didn't think they should be married. Marriage was origionally a religious ceremony performed by a religious cleric in a religious institution. Again read the post before you call me anti whatever.

TIA

VIBEELEVEN

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Still, where do I say I'm anti gay?
Because I don't agree with them and what they do?
Are you a catholic, jew or a muslim? If you don't agree with thier philosophy, by you're reasoning you're anti catholic, muslim and an anti semite. See the point I'm trying to make?
Do you like it when people try to shove thier philosophy in you're face. I don't weather it be the jahovahas witnesses or the gays. Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean you're a bigot.

Trust me the mormon knocking on my door or stopping me on the street to call me a heathen iritates me just as much as the gay guy at my gym trying to hit on me.

Kevin M

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You don't have to approve of homosexuality. You do not have to approve of gay marriage. Your opinions are your own. What I'm trying to make clear to you is that you ARE anti-gay. Sayign that two men or two women cannot be marriage is ANTI-GAY. You are saying they should be denied something that you have for no reason other than their sexuality. That's the definition of anti-anything. [/spoonfeed]

Apparently your big beef with gay marriage is the religious aspect. God expects a man to marry a woman and so on. That's nice, except for the fact that they obviously do not share your religious views. So not only are you a proponent of illegal legislation restricting a person's behavior because of sexuality, you're also attempting to force them to obey tenets of your personal religious beliefs. Nice, two constitutional violations in one foul swoop.

You can say you're not anti-gay until you're blue in the face. It won't change the fact that you are.

VIBEELEVEN

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As I stated from earlier, marriage has always been a religious ceremony. The only reason the government got involved is when they realized they could make money from it.

I guess I could say you're ANTI marriage since you don't agree with the defenition.

Whatever, I guess I'm anti catholic, jew, baptist, athiest, darwin, confuciousionist, hindu, muslim... it could go on ond on and on since I dont really agree with any of them. I'm just a hate filled bigot.

Kevin M

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No. Because you believe it's acceptable to legislate their actions because you disagree with them.


No, no, and no. But not choosing to fully accept their belief structure and way of life is COMPLETELY different than telling them that they can't do it, because I wouldn't do it. You're attempting to apply your own personal life philosophy to others, in spite of their objections, for no reason other than your lack of tolerance for difference in others.

Nope, I dislike religious soliciting like Mormon and Jehova's Witness missionaries as much as most people do. But I don't tell them to pretend they're Catholic/Protestant/Baptist/whatever they aren't in public, nor do I forbid them to congregate, nor tell them what to do in any way based on their religion. It's a difference you clearly cannot grasp. Denying someone the right to do something, simply because you find it disagreeable, is EXACTLY what bigotry is.

Let's make this more clear with some examples. Imagine the hottest girl you've ever seen. Gorgeous, perfect in every way. Great body, beautiful face, incredible personality, the works. Now, imagine her boyfriend is a large black man straight out of the hood, gold teef, Lexus GS400 with 1/4 tank of gas, every third word out of his mouth is *****, ****, ho, etcetera... how do you feel about them ****ing? About them getting married? Pleased, no? So does that mean that they shouldn't be allowed? Should your personal feelings be sufficient basis for governing their behavior? Do you suffer in any way because they are allowed to do something you disapprove of? Now, I know you're going to start crying about me calling you a racist now when I doubt that you are. but you need to at least understand the example, because it wasn't that long ago when people who think like you actually did forbid them from wedding. Because it was unseemly or God forbade it or whatever. Mostly just because of bigotry because they acted different. "They're different, I don't like it, make them stop!" is the basis for the laws that were once in place.

Let's try something perhaps more directly related. In this country, many states still have anti-sodomy laws. You understand what sodomy is, yes? In biblical context, it means "unnatural sexual relations." If it can't result in pregnancy, it's sodomy. That means absolutely any sexual act beyond standard vaginal intercourse between one man and one woman. no oral sex, no **** sex, not even TOUCHING each other's genitals. Sounds dumb right? Well, again, people who thought such things were unnecessary, weird, gross, or whatever else and wouldn't personally engage in such acts decided nobody else should either and it ended up on the books as law.

Cliff notes: You can dislike homosexuality all you want. But you can't tell them they can't do something you're allowed to do because you just don't like them.

Kevin M

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Enlightening. Sorry, I was in before the edit, and I'm standing behind my response. You're still refusing to grasp the difference between disapproval and disallowance.

VIBEELEVEN

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So I guess if you leave the gay's out you have to leave out all thes people too. It just wouldn't be fair.

http://www.britannica.com/search?que...&source=MWTEXT

Seriousley, where do you draw the line. It's supposed to be the creation of a family, not a circus.