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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 11:03 AM
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You are aware that in Europe, doctors/researchers, are making better advancements by not using embryonic stem cells?
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You are aware that in Europe, doctors/researchers, are making better advancements by not using embryonic stem cells?
A matter which should be settled by research, not by religious convictions.
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According to who? They're having a huge meeting on embryonic stem cells next month in Europe. There are many things non-embryonic stem cells can do. But that doesn't mean that embronic stem cells can't do a whole different set of things. More research is needed to find out. A ban on the research like we have here is plain retarded. But that will become more and more obvious as our education and research establishments keep slipping globally due to our citizens lake of scientific education and fear of discovery...


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Look, I'm an engineer, so I don't let emotions get in the way of the facts.

However, I don't see the point in harvesting dead babies for cells to repair humans if embryonic stem cells are just a few percentage points less effective.
Old Oct 18, 2007 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Look, I'm an engineer, so I don't let emotions get in the way of the facts.

However, I don't see the point in harvesting dead babies for cells to repair humans if embryonic stem cells are just a few percentage points less effective.
That makes the assumption that they're used for the same things. The whole point is that we DON'T know what the exact differences are. We DO know that they are vastly different (embryonic vs. non). So, obviously, the right people need access to all types so that we can correctly determine what can be done with what to get effective therapies.

Futhermore, there has never been an embryo created for the sole purpose of havesting stem cells. They have all come from embryos that were going to be incinerated anyway. What in the hell is the harm of taking a few cells from something that is about to be burnt up anyway?
Old Oct 18, 2007 | 01:29 PM
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There's no harm done using your situation.
But if there's money to be made, you know dang well some "less fortunate" pregnant girls/women will be taken advantage of.
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
There's no harm done using your situation.
But if there's money to be made, you know dang well some "less fortunate" pregnant girls/women will be taken advantage of again.
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
There's no harm done using your situation.
But if there's money to be made, you know dang well some "less fortunate" pregnant girls/women will be taken advantage of.

I don't know about that. As long as there is a pleantiful source of embryos going unused (in other words, as long as abortion is legal), I don't see any reason why anyone would pay a woman to get impregnated and then give up the embryo rather than just taking an embryo that is destined for disposal already. Monitarily, ethically, and logistically it makes no sense to have someone impregnated for the purposes of producing an embryo.
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
I don't know about that. As long as there is a pleantiful source of embryos going unused (in other words, as long as abortion is legal), I don't see any reason why anyone would pay a woman to get impregnated and then give up the embryo rather than just taking an embryo that is destined for disposal already. Monitarily, ethically, and logistically it makes no sense to have someone impregnated for the purposes of producing an embryo.
Especially when labs can buy donated eggs and sperm and "roll their own" without the messiness (in 'most every sense of the word) of abortions.
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In my opinion, it's more ethical to take aborted embryos (from accidental pregnancies) than it is to create embryos for the soul purpose of research. If an embryo exists, and will be destryed, then use it for good. But other than that...I have to say, it's unethical. I'm attending a seminar on the ethics of stem cell research next week, I'll let you all know what I hear.
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
In my opinion, it's more ethical to take aborted embryos (from accidental pregnancies) than it is to create embryos for the soul purpose of research. If an embryo exists, and will be destryed, then use it for good. But other than that...I have to say, it's unethical. I'm attending a seminar on the ethics of stem cell research next week, I'll let you all know what I hear.
I agree.
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