Thought on War
10-18-2007, 01:12 PM
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Thought on War
With all this blackwater crap and people against the war you never hear a huge outcry for friendly fire. Why is that? Instead you get a whole barrage of people that are quick to say, "Well, that's a part of war I suppose... it's sad."
But when a group of insurgents jumps a group of elite men everyone is outraged as if that isn't a part of war.
Is it an issue of liability? I think it's crap. People that do this should really sit back for a second and reevaluate their stances.
But when a group of insurgents jumps a group of elite men everyone is outraged as if that isn't a part of war.
Is it an issue of liability? I think it's crap. People that do this should really sit back for a second and reevaluate their stances.
10-18-2007, 02:41 PM
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True all that. Kinda like how the left is quick to preach about how we should go back to total isolationism. If it happens and we get attacked they'll immediately blame the administration. Surprise, that's what happens.
10-18-2007, 04:05 PM
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There's a difference between isolationism, and not sticking our dicks in other countries' pies.
Back on topic, people complain about friendly fire because they think it's something we can control and reduce. To an extent it's true but it will never be totally eliminated.
Back on topic, people complain about friendly fire because they think it's something we can control and reduce. To an extent it's true but it will never be totally eliminated.
10-18-2007, 04:21 PM
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War is exactly that and I dont like how the media puts out part of the story and everyone gets to add there two cents in. Honestly the worst thing about Iraq is the media coverage. They were in Baghdad before we attacked back in 03. I have some guys in my unit that have been dropped off about a mile from shore, swam in, and on the beach is CNN. They were the first US troops in the country. The media is everywhere and puts out stories that sell. when is the last time there was a story that talked about the wages in Iraq or the power in Iraq. Both are up over 300%, if not more.
10-18-2007, 05:15 PM
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War is exactly that and I dont like how the media puts out part of the story and everyone gets to add there two cents in. Honestly the worst thing about Iraq is the media coverage. They were in Baghdad before we attacked back in 03. I have some guys in my unit that have been dropped off about a mile from shore, swam in, and on the beach is CNN. They were the first US troops in the country. The media is everywhere and puts out stories that sell. when is the last time there was a story that talked about the wages in Iraq or the power in Iraq. Both are up over 300%, if not more.
Same reason crimes with guns are covered in the news but the guy who protects his family with a gun is conveniently overlooked.
Leftist propaganda..
10-19-2007, 05:57 AM
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***NEWSFLASH****
Politicians B*tch and moan about EVERYTHING the other side does....
It doesn't get limited to Left b*tching about right or right b*tching about left.
The problem is that too many people on both sides are sheep an will listen to whatever Al Franken or Rushie tell them. Hey here's an idea America...THINK FOR YOURSELVES, instead of letting the television or radio do it for you.
Politicians B*tch and moan about EVERYTHING the other side does....
It doesn't get limited to Left b*tching about right or right b*tching about left.
The problem is that too many people on both sides are sheep an will listen to whatever Al Franken or Rushie tell them. Hey here's an idea America...THINK FOR YOURSELVES, instead of letting the television or radio do it for you.
10-19-2007, 08:19 AM
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This is well proven with the VT Massacre. VT lost 33 people to a craze gunman. But in 2003, at the Appalachian School of Law. Only 3 lives were lost because the gunman was subdued by other students that were carrying a firearm. So which would you rather have, 3 or 33?
10-19-2007, 08:19 AM
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I completely agree with you. I think we made a good choice going to Afghanistan. One the other hand I see Iraq as a reality regardless of how we ended up there. Granted, initially it hand nothing to do with "fighting them there so we don't fight them here" but it does have that pretext now. The fact of the matter is that if we leave a vaccum in Iraq now we'll have an fundamentalist movement far stronger than we've ever seen which WILL lead to more attacks. With that said, finish the job so my kids don't have to deal with this ****.
10-19-2007, 04:04 PM
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***NEWSFLASH****
Politicians B*tch and moan about EVERYTHING the other side does....
It doesn't get limited to Left b*tching about right or right b*tching about left.
The problem is that too many people on both sides are sheep an will listen to whatever Al Franken or Rushie tell them. Hey here's an idea America...THINK FOR YOURSELVES, instead of letting the television or radio do it for you.
Politicians B*tch and moan about EVERYTHING the other side does....
It doesn't get limited to Left b*tching about right or right b*tching about left.
The problem is that too many people on both sides are sheep an will listen to whatever Al Franken or Rushie tell them. Hey here's an idea America...THINK FOR YOURSELVES, instead of letting the television or radio do it for you.
Murtha accusing Marines of engaging in Murder is all over the News, until the Marines are acquitted then the story fades with barely a mention.
During Hurricane Katrina, MSM (main stream Media) is so busy poo pooing FEMA (and George Bush) that no one stops to ask... Wait a minute? Why were those dikes so F*&ed up in the first place? And why do we actually have 1/2 of the Police, that is says we have on the Books? Why did the the State of LA not have any provisions for flooding, and Natural disasters? It's not like they just moved to below sea level right by the ocean!
Nappy headed hoes?? All over the news!
Mayor Nagin's Chocolate City?? Anyone even familiar with the quote?
So yeah I think that for the most part Main Stream Media produces Leftist Crap, that is covered for the purpose of getting Democrats elected, and a socialist agenda furthered.
Fortunately they are no longer the only game in town. Which is probably why the fairness doctrine has been re-introduced in the Senate and House.
This is well proven with the VT Massacre. VT lost 33 people to a craze gunman. But in 2003, at the Appalachian School of Law. Only 3 lives were lost because the gunman was subdued by other students that were carrying a firearm. So which would you rather have, 3 or 33?
There's a difference between isolationism, and not sticking our dicks in other countries' pies.
10-19-2007, 05:29 PM
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Correction: It was in June of 2002.
The story
The Wikipedia of the event (interesting)
The story
The Wikipedia of the event (interesting)
Originally Posted by The story
This explanation of the events surrounding the shooting is from Dr. Lott’s book: “The fast responses of two male students, Mikael Gross, thirty-four, and Tracy Bridges, twenty-five, undoubtedly saved many lives. Mikael was outside the law school and just returning from lunch when Peter Odighizuwa started his attack. Tracy was in a classroom waiting for class to start. When the shots rang out, utter chaos erupted. Mikael said, ‘People were running everywhere. They were jumping behind cars, running out in front of traffic, trying to get away.’”
Lott explains the actual encounter: “Mikael and Tracy were prepared to do something quite different: Both immediately ran to their cars and got their guns. Mikael had to run about one hundred yards to get to his car. Along with Ted Besen [who was unarmed], they approached Peter from different sides. As Tracy explains it, ‘I stopped at my vehicle and got a handgun, a revolver. Ted went toward Peter, and I aimed my gun at [Peter], and Peter tossed his gun down. Ted approached Peter, and Peter hit Ted in the jaw. Ted pushed him back and we all jumped on.’”
Lott explains the actual encounter: “Mikael and Tracy were prepared to do something quite different: Both immediately ran to their cars and got their guns. Mikael had to run about one hundred yards to get to his car. Along with Ted Besen [who was unarmed], they approached Peter from different sides. As Tracy explains it, ‘I stopped at my vehicle and got a handgun, a revolver. Ted went toward Peter, and I aimed my gun at [Peter], and Peter tossed his gun down. Ted approached Peter, and Peter hit Ted in the jaw. Ted pushed him back and we all jumped on.’”
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10-23-2007, 12:31 PM
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But they never complain much which proves my point. Why do most people cast aside friendly fire in the end as an inevitable part of war when it can be controlled to a certain extent vs. say a far or near ambush that simply cannot be controlled?
I think it just shows how much of a witch hunt people have on our guys when it comes down to this. They just want them out at this point and will find any means to support their arguments. Paul is right... people cannot fathom what it must be like to be in such a life threatening predicament. All they know is that they never wanted our country to be there in the first place so any wrong our men do - regardless of whether or not it was out of their hands because of the fog of war and how out of grasp this part of the public may be - will be construed as a 100% liability on our part everytime.
10-23-2007, 01:05 PM
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Wait, people are listing friendly fire as a reason for ending the war? That's pretty funny. Like closing down all the roads and freeways to prevent traffic accidents.