Half of the US thinks Iraq had WMD
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Half of the US thinks Iraq had WMD
I know that fresh intelligence obviously did not exist when we first entered Iraq or else we would have found something substantial. That, or Saddam had the WMDs buried in the sand like half the other crap that's been dug-up there (planes, munitions, thousands upon thousands of bodies, etc.)
But is there a possiblity that Iraq did have WMDs when our latest intelligence was gathered just prior to invasion and Hezbollah (or someone else) took them away? I understand that we've come up shy and understand the possibility that Iraq could have disposed of their WMD pre 1998 (when they forbid any inspector inside). But given the link between Hezbollah, Iran and Syria that Iran admitted to this week regarding the supplying of serious rockets, wouldn't you say it's a possibility? Something tells me there has to be more to the equation and many even said that this could have been the reason why WMDs disappeared as far back as 2003.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060806/..._believing_wmd
But is there a possiblity that Iraq did have WMDs when our latest intelligence was gathered just prior to invasion and Hezbollah (or someone else) took them away? I understand that we've come up shy and understand the possibility that Iraq could have disposed of their WMD pre 1998 (when they forbid any inspector inside). But given the link between Hezbollah, Iran and Syria that Iran admitted to this week regarding the supplying of serious rockets, wouldn't you say it's a possibility? Something tells me there has to be more to the equation and many even said that this could have been the reason why WMDs disappeared as far back as 2003.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060806/..._believing_wmd
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So you think iraq all of a sudden made buddy buddy with a long sworn enemy (iran?)
Are you guys smoking rocks? or snorting?
maybe both?
Thank god both of you dont work in the intelligence apparatus of this country...
Are you guys smoking rocks? or snorting?
maybe both?
Thank god both of you dont work in the intelligence apparatus of this country...
Originally Posted by kyle_RS
so that means that half of the nations still stupid (for thinkin that saddam was innocent)
God damn i had to quote that ****.. you can no longer claim any attachment to reality in any of its forms...
seriously
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
God damn i had to quote that ****.. you can no longer claim any attachment to reality in any of its forms...
seriously
seriously
i'm not sayin he had the WMD in the country when we invaded, hell i'm not even sayin that it was good that we invaded when we did!
but one things for sure, that duesch bag of a man was murdering 10's of thousands of turks for no reason other than he was bored! in saying that, he used chemical bombs for alot of his muder! so being guilty isn't judged on a 3 yr time frame, but more over the last decades he was in power!
f***ing should have killed that bastard 15 years ago and we wouldn't even be here!
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Hussein needed to go. I agree with that, and that alone.
The way the administration went about it, with no long term planning, the ill advised intelligence, the lack of international support....etc, etc...
I do not agree with. We haven't made Iraq better.....we've replaced one dictator that had a "stable" infrastructure, with an occupational force with NO infrastructure....we've been there for over 3 years now...coming up on 4.
Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualt...raq_since_2003
Total US Serivce casualties/fatalities:
2,571 total deaths,
19,157 combat wounded (8,773 evacuated), plus an unknown number of non-combat injuries.
Iraqi deaths: (This is an amazing figure)
From 30,000 (as of December 12, 2005) to 100,000 (as of September 2004). The lower figure was given by G. W. Bush in a public speech on December 12, 2005; the higher one comes from the September 2004 Lancet survey of mortality before and after the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
The United Nations reported that 14,000 deaths have occurred in the first half of 2006 alone. The Iraq Body Count project puts the total of civilian deaths reported in major media between 39,942 and 44,451 as of August 6, 2006.
Are we doing good? You decide.
The way the administration went about it, with no long term planning, the ill advised intelligence, the lack of international support....etc, etc...
I do not agree with. We haven't made Iraq better.....we've replaced one dictator that had a "stable" infrastructure, with an occupational force with NO infrastructure....we've been there for over 3 years now...coming up on 4.
Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualt...raq_since_2003
Total US Serivce casualties/fatalities:
2,571 total deaths,
19,157 combat wounded (8,773 evacuated), plus an unknown number of non-combat injuries.
Iraqi deaths: (This is an amazing figure)
From 30,000 (as of December 12, 2005) to 100,000 (as of September 2004). The lower figure was given by G. W. Bush in a public speech on December 12, 2005; the higher one comes from the September 2004 Lancet survey of mortality before and after the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
The United Nations reported that 14,000 deaths have occurred in the first half of 2006 alone. The Iraq Body Count project puts the total of civilian deaths reported in major media between 39,942 and 44,451 as of August 6, 2006.
Are we doing good? You decide.
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
So you think iraq all of a sudden made buddy buddy with a long sworn enemy (iran?)
Are you guys smoking rocks? or snorting?
maybe both?
Thank god both of you dont work in the intelligence apparatus of this country...
Are you guys smoking rocks? or snorting?
maybe both?
Thank god both of you dont work in the intelligence apparatus of this country...
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Originally Posted by RedStage
Hussein needed to go. I agree with that, and that alone.
The way the administration went about it, with no long term planning, the ill advised intelligence, the lack of international support....etc, etc...
I do not agree with. We haven't made Iraq better.....we've replaced one dictator that had a "stable" infrastructure, with an occupational force with NO infrastructure....we've been there for over 3 years now...coming up on 4.
Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualt...raq_since_2003
Total US Serivce casualties/fatalities:
2,571 total deaths,
19,157 combat wounded (8,773 evacuated), plus an unknown number of non-combat injuries.
Iraqi deaths: (This is an amazing figure)
From 30,000 (as of December 12, 2005) to 100,000 (as of September 2004). The lower figure was given by G. W. Bush in a public speech on December 12, 2005; the higher one comes from the September 2004 Lancet survey of mortality before and after the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
The United Nations reported that 14,000 deaths have occurred in the first half of 2006 alone. The Iraq Body Count project puts the total of civilian deaths reported in major media between 39,942 and 44,451 as of August 6, 2006.
Are we doing good? You decide.
The way the administration went about it, with no long term planning, the ill advised intelligence, the lack of international support....etc, etc...
I do not agree with. We haven't made Iraq better.....we've replaced one dictator that had a "stable" infrastructure, with an occupational force with NO infrastructure....we've been there for over 3 years now...coming up on 4.
Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualt...raq_since_2003
Total US Serivce casualties/fatalities:
2,571 total deaths,
19,157 combat wounded (8,773 evacuated), plus an unknown number of non-combat injuries.
Iraqi deaths: (This is an amazing figure)
From 30,000 (as of December 12, 2005) to 100,000 (as of September 2004). The lower figure was given by G. W. Bush in a public speech on December 12, 2005; the higher one comes from the September 2004 Lancet survey of mortality before and after the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
The United Nations reported that 14,000 deaths have occurred in the first half of 2006 alone. The Iraq Body Count project puts the total of civilian deaths reported in major media between 39,942 and 44,451 as of August 6, 2006.
Are we doing good? You decide.
i agree that the intelligence should have be more detailed, and we shouldn't have rushed into the war, but the overall after the war is over and were out of iraq, history will go down and will say that it was worth having iraq as an allie (spl)
you also have to think that with all this was now going on in the middle east, if we get involed iraq is a very good place to have troops.
its sad cause war is ugly and painful, but alot of the crazy extremist won't have it any other way!
iraq was not planned well, but for how it went about were doing a good job.
Originally Posted by kyle_RS
i'm not sayin he had the WMD in the country when we invaded, hell i'm not even sayin that it was good that we invaded when we did!
but one things for sure, that duesch bag of a man was murdering 10's of thousands of turks for no reason other than he was bored! in saying that, he used chemical bombs for alot of his muder! so being guilty isn't judged on a 3 yr time frame, but more over the last decades he was in power!
f***ing should have killed that bastard 15 years ago and we wouldn't even be here!
but one things for sure, that duesch bag of a man was murdering 10's of thousands of turks for no reason other than he was bored! in saying that, he used chemical bombs for alot of his muder! so being guilty isn't judged on a 3 yr time frame, but more over the last decades he was in power!
f***ing should have killed that bastard 15 years ago and we wouldn't even be here!
turks?
haha first time i have heard people call the kurdish turks.. haha And yes i know what region and ethnicity they come from. Just funny hearing someone call them turks.. im sure they would love to hear it.
What about the american companies that sold them the supplies, chemicals, etc used to create those WMDS?
Originally Posted by RedStage
Hussein needed to go. I agree with that, and that alone.
The way the administration went about it, with no long term planning, the ill advised intelligence, the lack of international support....etc, etc...
I do not agree with. We haven't made Iraq better.....we've replaced one dictator that had a "stable" infrastructure, with an occupational force with NO infrastructure....we've been there for over 3 years now...coming up on 4.
Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualt...raq_since_2003
Total US Serivce casualties/fatalities:
2,571 total deaths,
19,157 combat wounded (8,773 evacuated), plus an unknown number of non-combat injuries.
Iraqi deaths: (This is an amazing figure)
From 30,000 (as of December 12, 2005) to 100,000 (as of September 2004). The lower figure was given by G. W. Bush in a public speech on December 12, 2005; the higher one comes from the September 2004 Lancet survey of mortality before and after the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
The United Nations reported that 14,000 deaths have occurred in the first half of 2006 alone. The Iraq Body Count project puts the total of civilian deaths reported in major media between 39,942 and 44,451 as of August 6, 2006.
Are we doing good? You decide.
The way the administration went about it, with no long term planning, the ill advised intelligence, the lack of international support....etc, etc...
I do not agree with. We haven't made Iraq better.....we've replaced one dictator that had a "stable" infrastructure, with an occupational force with NO infrastructure....we've been there for over 3 years now...coming up on 4.
Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualt...raq_since_2003
Total US Serivce casualties/fatalities:
2,571 total deaths,
19,157 combat wounded (8,773 evacuated), plus an unknown number of non-combat injuries.
Iraqi deaths: (This is an amazing figure)
From 30,000 (as of December 12, 2005) to 100,000 (as of September 2004). The lower figure was given by G. W. Bush in a public speech on December 12, 2005; the higher one comes from the September 2004 Lancet survey of mortality before and after the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
The United Nations reported that 14,000 deaths have occurred in the first half of 2006 alone. The Iraq Body Count project puts the total of civilian deaths reported in major media between 39,942 and 44,451 as of August 6, 2006.
Are we doing good? You decide.
The intel by all means was sound...
it is the fact that they ignored the intelligence that contradicted their goals which is the issue.
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
turks?
haha first time i have heard people call the kurdish turks.. haha And yes i know what region and ethnicity they come from. Just funny hearing someone call them turks.. im sure they would love to hear it.
What about the american companies that sold them the supplies, chemicals, etc used to create those WMDS?
haha first time i have heard people call the kurdish turks.. haha And yes i know what region and ethnicity they come from. Just funny hearing someone call them turks.. im sure they would love to hear it.
What about the american companies that sold them the supplies, chemicals, etc used to create those WMDS?
america was not the only culprit (SPL?)?theres alot of guilty people, its just a matter of who does anything to stop it. with good intentions or bad the war was not in vain
I don't like big business owners that are power hungry and will do anything to get more money/power. To me those people aren't americans.
kurds, turks whatever you know what i was talkin about.
In every war thats ever been fought, there were evil people that put on a perfect face. the thing about war is the outcome. did it do any good? to me this war in iraq achieved something that the iraqi's have been dreaming of for decades freedom. The chance to be free shouldn't be withheld from anyone.
problem is when you are soo afraid of your own government that the you won't fight against it. you need someone to help you. luckly america (with wrong motives or right) will come to aid if its needed! even if this war was all about giving bush more money for his oil company's or whatever, I can pretty much promise you that the majority of iraqi's are greatfull for the US helping their nation.
if i'm wrong i'll find out soon enough and i'll come back on here and apologize
i'm sorry about the terrible grammer and sentence stucture
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This is a funny thread. There was a poll of American's...most of whom have never been in the same hemisphere as Iraq, about weather they THOUGHT Iraq had WMDs before we invaded. So half of America buys the gov't line, half doesn't. What does it mean? Not a damn thing...but if you guys want to rehash the debate over why we went and if it was a good enough reason, have fun.
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
This is a funny thread. There was a poll of American's...most of whom have never been in the same hemisphere as Iraq, about weather they THOUGHT Iraq had WMDs before we invaded. So half of America buys the gov't line, half doesn't. What does it mean? Not a damn thing...but if you guys want to rehash the debate over why we went and if it was a good enough reason, have fun.
this is the politics forum. debates are what happen
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Know how I know that Iraq had WMD?
Because back in Desert Storm we gave them to Iraq.
Also, one of Saddam's cousins is nicknamed Chemical Ali. How do you get the nickname of "Chemical" for using serin gas on your own people if you do not have WMD?
Because back in Desert Storm we gave them to Iraq.
Also, one of Saddam's cousins is nicknamed Chemical Ali. How do you get the nickname of "Chemical" for using serin gas on your own people if you do not have WMD?