FUNKED1

NYT Article

Salty

iTrader: (14)

Outstanding article!

Elitism is the very fabric of every true-liberal I’ve encountered. And no, njc200, that’s not a blanket statement...

Classic!

Unregistered

You don't think it was the religious right that won the election for him?

HAHAH classic.

FUNKED1

You guys keep telling yourselves that... and the GOP will keep cleaning your clock in elections.

Unregistered

You seriously don't think the religious right won this for Jr? Are you mad?! IT WAS KARL ROVES STRAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They said it was and hence they won with it. Jesus, even if they tell you they did that you still don't agree with it.

HellaDumb

iTrader: (3)

Shhhhhhhhhhh.... don't tell them! I'm looking forward to them losing again already.

Salty

iTrader: (14)

Ok, ok... so if it was religion that won it for Bush then why are Democrats trying to give Hillary the 2008 ticket? Doesn't that seem like an extremely bad move to have more evangelicals vote Republican in 2008?

Unregistered

Umm how are the Democrats trying to give Hillary the ticket? Its WAY to early to tell who will run for president. And thats a FACT, I know this from first hand experience and knowledge about the Democratic party. Again look at the states that voted for Jr, then look at the reason WHY the voted him and its pretty clear to anyone. Also read up on what Rove has been doing for sometime now.

Amazing trying to say that Rove strat. isn't what he said it was.

FUNKED1

Yet another liberal outlet confirming this story.

Unregistered

Again, go read up on what Rove's strat was to win this election and to who they pandered too. No matter what any media outlet says I think I'll take Rove's words over them.

deyes

"But again, the causality is unclear. Did people in these states mention moral issues because gay marriage was on the ballot? Or was it on the ballot in places where people were already more likely to be concerned about morality?

"More to the point, the morality gap didn't decide the election. Voters who cited moral issues as most important did give their votes overwhelmingly to Bush (80 percent to 18 percent), and states where voters saw moral issues as important were more likely to be red ones. But these differences were no greater in 2004 than in 2000. If you're trying to explain why the president's vote share in 2004 is bigger than his vote share in 2000, values don't help.

If the morality gap doesn't explain Bush's re-election, what does? A good part of the answer lies in the terrorism gap. Nationally, 49 percent of voters said they trusted Bush but not Kerry to handle terrorism; only 31 percent trusted Kerry but not Bush. This 18-point gap is particularly significant in that terrorism is strongly tied to vote choice: 99 percent of those who trusted only Kerry on the issue voted for him, and 97 percent of those who trusted only Bush voted for him. Terrorism was cited by 19 percent of voters as the most important issue, and these citizens gave their votes to the president by an even larger margin than morality voters: 86 percent for Bush, 14 percent for Kerry."


You're in denial.

MVWRX

iTrader: (1)

That quote is awesomely bad. They give solid stats against their point (80 vs 18), and then claim that they don't matter. But all they say is that the diffs were no greater than in 2000. No stats at all. To me that means they had a stat that didn't help their argument, so they replaced it with words. Happens all the time.

Not denial, disbelief that faith has as much to do with our political system as it does.

deyes

"If the morality gap doesn't explain Bush's re-election, what does? A good part of the answer lies in the terrorism gap. Nationally, 49 percent of voters said they trusted Bush but not Kerry to handle terrorism; only 31 percent trusted Kerry but not Bush. This 18-point gap is particularly significant in that terrorism is strongly tied to vote choice: 99 percent of those who trusted only Kerry on the issue voted for him, and 97 percent of those who trusted only Bush voted for him. Terrorism was cited by 19 percent of voters as the most important issue, and these citizens gave their votes to the president by an even larger margin than morality voters: 86 percent for Bush, 14 percent for Kerry."

Sorry, I thought you guys had read the story funked1 linked to. Read up for all the stats, I'd rather not quote the whole article.

Unregistered

Umm denial? Again go read up on what the Jr. campagin targeted. Its not hard to see what they went for. Of course if you think they didn't target the religious right for voter turn out then nothing I say will convince you otherwise.

deyes

Of course the targeted specific voters, thats what politicians and political parties do! Whats your point? The fact is that "morality" was even less of a factor in this race then the last. Denial.