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Old Dec 18, 2007 | 01:30 PM
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First off, you should check the literature on how many first trimester fetuses are naturally 'aborted'. More pregnancies are terminated by 'nature' than survive.
Nature also kills off people through natural causes.
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 01:40 PM
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Secondly, the death penalty doesn't free up any substantial prison space. And even if it did, the money saved by giving these guys life w/out parole (because they can't appeal that, while death sentence appeals cost an unbelievable amount of money) could be used to make new jails if needed.
So are we arguing the effectiveness of death penalty or our inherent ability of half-assing everything in this country? At least to the point where holes present themselves in defending what could be a straight-forward and efficient system. Sorta reminds me of the Iraqi war. Not to drag that into the mix but you have to wonder if our effectiveness was rendered useless due to our militaries neutered state and the miles of tape.

Then I'd have to agree with you then based on appeals money and my insignificant prison space issue.

But I think the argument for the death penalty would be pretty strong if we actually did it once in awhile. Like to the point death row wasn't needed.
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
First off, you should check the literature on how many first trimester fetuses are naturally 'aborted'. More pregnancies are terminated by 'nature' than survive.
So a lost pregnancy could be assumed as natural selection. Nature working out the bugs. The death penalty is nothing more than giving mother nature a helping hand. I'm sure she slips and leaves a few bad apples here and there. Good thing we can rid the bad apples before the good ones become tainted too.
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty

But I think the argument for the death penalty would be pretty strong if we actually did it once in awhile. Like to the point death row wasn't needed.
That was the point of it all along...

Why does it seem that folks of yesteryear had a much more clear picture of why things are the way they are?
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty
But I think the argument for the death penalty would be pretty strong if we actually did it once in awhile. Like to the point death row wasn't needed.
Yeah, then it doesn't even matter if we got the wrong guy too. As long as we kill SOMEONE to appease the mourning victim's families, that's what really counts.
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 02:56 PM
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Why does it seem that folks of yesteryear had a much more clear picture of why things are the way they are?
You mean ancient times? Hamurabi's code was pretty effective. If we started cutting off hands for robbery, we sure would have a lot less crooks wouldn't we!
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 03:07 PM
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Yeah, then it doesn't even matter if we got the wrong guy too. As long as we kill SOMEONE to appease the mourning victim's families, that's what really counts.
So, how many innocent folks have been wrongly killed?
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Stealing is not a violent crime.
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 04:39 PM
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So, how many innocent folks have been wrongly killed?
The beauty of it is, no detective in his right mind will look for evidence to exonerate a dead man, so we have no idea!

But 126 people have been released from death row since 1973 because they've been shown to be innocent.
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 04:40 PM
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Stealing is not a violent crime.
No, but without a hand, it's very hard to steal anything.

The idea is that barbaric punishments are just that, barbaric. The death penalty is one of them.
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 05:18 PM
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So, how many innocent folks have been wrongly killed?
More than zero. And I would say that the farther back you go, the higher the percentage gets, whatever it is.
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I kinda see your point about getting rid of a practise if it results in ONE innocent death.

But, where do we stop?
Stop flying because XXXX people/yr die in crashes?
Stop driving because XXXXX people/yr die in crashes?

Suppose the person locked up for life kills a fellow inmate or CO?
Now what?

Suppose a lifer break outs, & kills a pregnant woman, who's on her way to have an abortion?
Does he get tried for 1 or 2 counts of murder?

What if...........
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 07:50 PM
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If death penalties were carried out in a timely manner they would not cost as much. You should not be able to appeal and appeal of an appeal (a slight exaggeration). Also, the price of the "humane" drugs and costs of doctors to administer them are ridiculous. If every state used a gallows or firing squad and executed the prisoners in a timely manner, it would be far more cost effective.

This country's legal system is ***-backwards. The point of the system should not not be rehabilitation, but punishment. The amount of repeat offenders in this country is ridiculous.
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Yeah, then it doesn't even matter if we got the wrong guy too. As long as we kill SOMEONE to appease the mourning victim's families, that's what really counts.
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I still say living out your life in lock up is worse than going to sleep and never waking up.
So if the SOMEONE we lock-up indefinitely is the wrong guy, does living the rest of his or her life behind bars better for you than going to sleep and never waking up? Why should potentially innocent person be subjected to the “harder avenue” according to you?

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