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No more state-sponsored homicide. Good for them.
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What about it do you not understand?
It costs more to kill someone than to hold them for life.
If you're interested in punishing someone, then life w/out parole is worse than a painless and quick death.
As far as I can tell, the only thing killing someone accomplishes is satisfying the urge that relatives of the victims of crimes have to kill a human because of their own pain and suffering. Which is basically giving them free reign to do the very thing that they are suffering because of.
If someone is a victim, or a relative of a victim, and wants to kill the perp... they can try to do it themselves, and spend their life in jail. It's idiotic to try to justify putting people to death for killing people.
I've never understood how a modern society, that distances itself from the 'barbaric' practices of ancient societies, can use the death penalty.
It costs more to kill someone than to hold them for life.
If you're interested in punishing someone, then life w/out parole is worse than a painless and quick death.
As far as I can tell, the only thing killing someone accomplishes is satisfying the urge that relatives of the victims of crimes have to kill a human because of their own pain and suffering. Which is basically giving them free reign to do the very thing that they are suffering because of.
If someone is a victim, or a relative of a victim, and wants to kill the perp... they can try to do it themselves, and spend their life in jail. It's idiotic to try to justify putting people to death for killing people.
I've never understood how a modern society, that distances itself from the 'barbaric' practices of ancient societies, can use the death penalty.
If death sentences were carried out in a timely manner; Convicted on Tues dead on Thurs; would it still cost more money? I have a really hard time with the money; I hardly think that is an issue. I like the eye for an eye mentality.
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What about all the people who have been proven innocent years after receiving the death penalty? Collateral damage? Or do we then get to kill the judge, jurors, and DA who caused a homicide by convicting the wrong guy?
And are you sure you like the eye for an eye deal? Think about all the implications it would have for lesser crimes. Ones that you may find yourself perpetrating, like traffic violations and illegal modifications.
And are you sure you like the eye for an eye deal? Think about all the implications it would have for lesser crimes. Ones that you may find yourself perpetrating, like traffic violations and illegal modifications.
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Among the eight spared is Jesse Timmendequas, a sex offender who murdered 7-year-old Megan Kanka in 1994. The case inspired Megan's Law...
MVWRX...can you please provide the ratio of guilty/innocent people put to death by the gov't.
Is it 1%?
20%?
On a side note, I find it very ironic those that support abortion(killing unborn babies...innocent people)...decry the death penalty on the grounds that innocent people have been put to death.
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Even if ONE innocent was killed by the death penalty, it's too many.
An unborn fetus in the first trimester is not yet a living human.
The guy who killed the girl should rot in prison for the rest of his life, being punished by the inmates around him who have children. Far worse than a quick and painless death.
An unborn fetus in the first trimester is not yet a living human.
The guy who killed the girl should rot in prison for the rest of his life, being punished by the inmates around him who have children. Far worse than a quick and painless death.
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What about it do you not understand?
It costs more to kill someone than to hold them for life.
If you're interested in punishing someone, then life w/out parole is worse than a painless and quick death.
As far as I can tell, the only thing killing someone accomplishes is satisfying the urge that relatives of the victims of crimes have to kill a human because of their own pain and suffering. Which is basically giving them free reign to do the very thing that they are suffering because of.
If someone is a victim, or a relative of a victim, and wants to kill the perp... they can try to do it themselves, and spend their life in jail. It's idiotic to try to justify putting people to death for killing people.
I've never understood how a modern society, that distances itself from the 'barbaric' practices of ancient societies, can use the death penalty.
It costs more to kill someone than to hold them for life.
If you're interested in punishing someone, then life w/out parole is worse than a painless and quick death.
As far as I can tell, the only thing killing someone accomplishes is satisfying the urge that relatives of the victims of crimes have to kill a human because of their own pain and suffering. Which is basically giving them free reign to do the very thing that they are suffering because of.
If someone is a victim, or a relative of a victim, and wants to kill the perp... they can try to do it themselves, and spend their life in jail. It's idiotic to try to justify putting people to death for killing people.
I've never understood how a modern society, that distances itself from the 'barbaric' practices of ancient societies, can use the death penalty.
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And we're off! What about beyond that? My wife and I have been trying for a baby for sometime now. I can’t wait to tell her to keep her excitement to a minimum until the baby is officially on it’s way to becoming human. Such bull****.
It's a good point Paul has. A fetus in the first trimester still has a very good chance a becoming a human, whatever that means. We'll make-up a whole list of scientific mumbo-jumbo just to cut the edge of immorality off aborting a fetus that never had a chance. Yet the same mother****ers frown on a grown man or woman that's more than likely had numerous chances and screwed them all to the point of murdering an actual human being (by their definition of a human being). It makes no sense whatsoever.
I'm not saying I’m entirely against abortion because I do understand the need for it in certain situations. The point can also be made that executing prisoners frees-up much needed prison space. Sound familiar for the pro-abortion peanut gallery regarding population control?
It's a good point Paul has. A fetus in the first trimester still has a very good chance a becoming a human, whatever that means. We'll make-up a whole list of scientific mumbo-jumbo just to cut the edge of immorality off aborting a fetus that never had a chance. Yet the same mother****ers frown on a grown man or woman that's more than likely had numerous chances and screwed them all to the point of murdering an actual human being (by their definition of a human being). It makes no sense whatsoever.
I'm not saying I’m entirely against abortion because I do understand the need for it in certain situations. The point can also be made that executing prisoners frees-up much needed prison space. Sound familiar for the pro-abortion peanut gallery regarding population control?
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It may not be able to live on it's own, but a fetus certainly is a human.
Being punished by fellow inmates is contrary to the 8th Amendment.
But that's cool with you?
But that's cool with you?
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First off, you should check the literature on how many first trimester fetuses are naturally 'aborted'. More pregnancies are terminated by 'nature' than survive.
Secondly, the death penalty doesn't free up any substantial prison space. And even if it did, the money saved by giving these guys life w/out parole (because they can't appeal that, while death sentence appeals cost an unbelievable amount of money) could be used to make new jails if needed.
Thirdly, being abused by other prisoners is not against the 8th amendment. The 8th amendment says you won't undergo cruel and unusual punishment by the state. Other prisoners are not the state. And even if they were able to completely prevent all forms of prison violence, I still say living out your life in lock up is worse than going to sleep and never waking up.
Now, I've brought up several arguments for why the death penalty is wrong/useless. And you may not agree with them obviously. But I'd like to hear even one argument that isn't 'they deserve to die' that shows why the death penalty helps us as a country/society.
Secondly, the death penalty doesn't free up any substantial prison space. And even if it did, the money saved by giving these guys life w/out parole (because they can't appeal that, while death sentence appeals cost an unbelievable amount of money) could be used to make new jails if needed.
Thirdly, being abused by other prisoners is not against the 8th amendment. The 8th amendment says you won't undergo cruel and unusual punishment by the state. Other prisoners are not the state. And even if they were able to completely prevent all forms of prison violence, I still say living out your life in lock up is worse than going to sleep and never waking up.
Now, I've brought up several arguments for why the death penalty is wrong/useless. And you may not agree with them obviously. But I'd like to hear even one argument that isn't 'they deserve to die' that shows why the death penalty helps us as a country/society.
The death penalty is the essence of the "if it feels good, do it" mentality.
Here's 17 of 'em
http://web.telia.com/~u15509119/ny_sida_3.htm
Here's 17 of 'em
http://web.telia.com/~u15509119/ny_sida_3.htm