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Old 08-06-2009, 10:39 AM
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Feds order California to release 43K inmates

Federal judges order California to release 43,000 inmates

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California must shrink the population of its teeming prisons by nearly 43,000 inmates over the next two years to meet constitutional standards, a panel of three federal judges ruled Tuesday, ordering the state to come up with a reduction plan by mid-September.
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Specter emphasized, as did the judges, that the ruling "doesn't mean that 40,000 prisoners are going to walk out of prison tomorrow."

"If done right, this could be a win-win situation for the entire state, as the prisons will be safer for my clients and the staff who work there, taxpayers will save hundreds of millions of dollars a year and communities will be safer as a result," Specter said, pointing to the judges' opinion that prison conditions contribute to repeat offenses.

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If California was the kind of State that the average guy could get a CCW.

It probably wouldn't be the kind of State that would be having these sorts of problems..

Yes I realize there are counties in California where CCW Issuance is both fair and common, but the Majority of the state's population is still screwed in this regard..
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Originally Posted by Tizzo27 View Post
If California was the kind of State that the average guy could get a CCW.

It probably wouldn't be the kind of State that would be having these sorts of problems..

Yes I realize there are counties in California where CCW Issuance is both fair and common, but the Majority of the state's population is still screwed in this regard..
You're saying that if most people carried guns on their person, there would be less people in prison?
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Originally Posted by Superglue WRX View Post
You're saying that if most people carried guns on their person, there would be less people in prison?
Either that or just more dead criminals.
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Either that or just more dead criminals.
And more dead people with CCW permits.
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Originally Posted by Superglue WRX View Post
And more dead people with CCW permits.

Clearly, you have no idea of what you say.
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Clearly, you have no idea of what you say.
Sorry, I forgot carrying guns makes you invincible.

My bad.
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Originally Posted by Superglue WRX View Post
And more dead people with CCW permits.
That's okay. I think I'll still take my chances armed with a pistol and CCW over being unarmed and at the mercy of some dirtbag anyway. If you want to be a sheep, that's your business.
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Originally Posted by Superglue WRX View Post
Sorry, I forgot carrying guns makes you invincible.

My bad.
ask Australia how banning handguns went...
  • Homicides up 3.2 percent.
  • Assaults up 8.6 percent.
  • Armed robberies climbed nearly 45 percent.
  • In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides climbed 300 percent.
  • In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been dropping steadily.

and lets not for this gem:

UK more violent than South Africa
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...frica-U-S.html
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Originally Posted by Lurk View Post
That's okay. I think I'll still take my chances armed with a pistol and CCW over being unarmed and at the mercy of some dirtbag anyway. If you want to be a sheep, that's your business.
No gun = sheep
gun = awesome cowboy?

If people want to carry guns with them, I say let them. But it won't turn you into a super hero.

I'm 29 years old and have never been at the mercy of some dirtbag. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?
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Originally Posted by irrational x View Post
ask Australia how banning handguns went...
  • Homicides up 3.2 percent.
  • Assaults up 8.6 percent.
  • Armed robberies climbed nearly 45 percent.
  • In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides climbed 300 percent.
  • In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been dropping steadily.

and lets not for this gem:

UK more violent than South Africa
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...frica-U-S.html
Because what I said was to ban all guns right?.... Nooooooooo.... I implied that carrying a gun does not make one impervious to death.

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Originally Posted by Superglue WRX View Post
No gun = No options
gun = Options
FIXED

I'm 29 years old and have never been at the mercy of some dirtbag. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?
Never say never.
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