I see. I-thug to the max.

Because of him, I had sent my family off to the country to stay with family and I was holed up in my bedroom, crying, clutching my .22 rifle.

You know, it really does catch my attention how internet culture sometimes has the potential to spill out into real life. I was really contemplating what a showdown with the fellow would have been all about. I gave some real thought as to how I would integrate 'combined arms' if he and I would have actually crossed paths, given that I'm no longer in Infantry land and would have to re-create my combined arms, ala the A-team.;D

 

Pat,

The fun begins on post #35 and gets better on page 4 and 5.

https://www.i-club.com/forums/showth...ight=beheading

 

You know, I DO suspect that there were some sanctioned actions not protected under 'The Law of Land Warfare' that have not only happened in Vietnam, but at least as far back as WWII and as recently as OIF.

People are strange. Anything an imagination can dream up can actually be put to action, both through misdirected good intention on the part of a delusionary, and by factions of an organization who direct folks under the mandate of 'national security', ala Robert Ludlum (a very thought-provoking fiction writer, I might add.)

The Mack Vee he was referring to was MAC-V, Military Assistance Command-Vietnam.
As a note, MAC-V absorbed the duties and authority of the previous MAAG-V (Military Assistance Advisory Group.) MAC-V started out as a small task force (akin to TF Smith) with the intent over sort of playing chess with the warring factions (Communists vs. South Vietnamese and indigenous tribesmen....again, think Northern Alliance) but things just didn't play out that way.

You have to remember, we were over there, at that time, without a declaration of war. Congress chose, though, not to censure the president but in essence our activities weren't covered under any normal, martial conventions. We were trying to 'win' like our fathers and their fathers had in previous wars, but were being faced by pure insurgency versus what our doctrine encompassed. (Our military has a hard time keeping up with which decade we're in, even to this day.)

An organization where highly decorated, conventional warriors like Norman Schwartzkopf worked for. The intent is very near to a Task Force that I know of in Afghanistan (and Iraq, but I have no personal knowledge) where we supply a 'team' of American soldiers to 'advise' regular and irregular indigenous soldiers to assist us in our efforts on a like enemy.

As you know, the birth of the United States Army Special Forces occured around this time, made famous by our very own John Wayne. MACV had a special operation group as one of it's tenant units; that command was called the MAC-V SOG (Studies and Observation Group.) They were made of up USSF, Combat Controllers, Seals (? although I thought that they weren't formally organized yet...still UDT), and ....CIA, although not officially. You can read about this unofficially in Charles Beckwith's book, although I don't know if you can find it anywhere officially.

It's my understanding that there were some 'projects' started, funded, but 'unsanctioned' in Vietnam which very well could have gone rogue or could have been operating on the unofficially recognized "We will deny your existance, of course, James." One of which is the modern day Delta Force. A unit which many people know about but still to this day isn't acknowledged by the US Army nor the US Goverment...even though their creator, Beckwith, wrote a book detailing everything about them.

All I've got to say is sometimes it takes fire to fight fire, just like Barney Fife says.

 

I didn't proof, so there will be mistakes.

 

But, like a few of your Special Operation friends alluded to, if anyone were involved in certain illegal activities, there is no statute of limitations. He's lying or else wants to go to jail.

All fathers want to impress their sons, even if you were cursed to have a son who's a living, pruny-looking fetus like Olmek.

 

No it's accurate and good info for those that are interested in SOF.

There are other units (mainly Army) that branched off of old LRRP units and other SOF units when the "S" ASI was affixed to a primary MOS (mostly 11, 13 series) instead of the 18 series in the early 80's.

Eventhough there are some instances under lock and key (maybe > 1%) during the Vietnam era and so forth, there's always a paper trail for schools. Schools like BAC and any other schools at Benning come to mind. There's always that guy you knew that was part of class 03-02 or the Blackhat you knew at 1/507th that’s a phone call away. And this is how frauds are caught. Few operations are classified and operators are not part of that classification.

EDIT: I think ST-1 was around during the MACVSOG/CCC days but am not entirely sure. Regardless, UDT's were still ubundant and part of the group.

 

Very true

 

I don't think the father even lied to Olmek in the first place... I don't even think Olmek's father served in Vietnam. I think Olmek created his father's record out of thin air (Google) in order to make a lame point seem valid and his 10cent novels flow better.

Seriously... if you're bored at work I encourage you to search Olmek's idiotic posts. What's really funny is that people bought his crap and actually thought he was the greatest mind on the planet.

 

Hilarious...

 

There always the evils of Dihydrogen Monoxide and the idiots who continue to sign petitions to have it banned.