jvick125

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We can see underground?

SilverScoober02

Actually we can, and I believe there was a thread on this topic in the run-up to the war in the early days of this forum but I can't remember what it was. But again I believe that technology (like 1Regu pointed out) needs to be directed somewheres.

Gotta know where to look

jvick125

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I didn't know that we could. I bet the extent to which we can is very limited. But you're right we do need to know where to look, when to look, etc.

1reguL8NSTi

We can only see with either thermal optics (down to the point where temp. signature is still evident which could be 5 feet or 100) and the other is by electronic signature. If there is activity underground there's a good chance we'll know about it. It may be a coal mine and it could be a anthrax lab. We'd just know someone's down there. We can also sense movement with laser sizmagraph which just registers movement. SF units are given local units to detect troop movements which are highly effective. When they detect movement they call an airstike/artillery on "the piece".

jvick125

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5-100 ft. that's a pretty large range.

1reguL8NSTi

Yup, depends on the density of what it's looking through and what kinds of heat emitting targets its searching for. If it's looking for a nuclear reactor buried under 100 ft. of sand that be easy to see. Finding a person hiding in a cave of composite rock form would be a much more difficult task (hint hint Afganistan). You can also search for electrical signals (how we're looking for Bin Laden). For instance, when you use a cell phone it gives off an electron signature specific only to it. Bin Laden's just been smart about screening his calls and using covers and decoys to hide his location. Bastard.

jvick125

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What about a thick underground concrete bunker? Used for hiding people and weapons? putting off realitively low heat (compared to a reactor)

1reguL8NSTi

Practically invisible.

jvick125

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If people on here are willing to accept your credibility, my point is proven.

SilverScoober02

Not for long....

or maybe we are using some of this technology like we did for years with say the SR-71? Who knows!?!?!?!?

http://www.darpa.mil/spo/programs/uf.htm?area=4

jvick125

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Hopefully this is put into affect pretty quick.

SilverScoober02

I would bet that something like this is already in effect even if it is a somewhat limited scale.

1reguL8NSTi

Yeah, those two things linked at the bottom of the page I had mentioned just in exponentially less detail. We do have bunker busters and MOABs which leave pretty much any military facility vulnerable. The trouble is finding them. People will always be able to hide regardless of what technology comes up. It's possible to isolate thermal and electronic fields underground just as we do it in the air with the F-117 and the newer F-22 Raptor (air is a much harder medium for concealment). The passive system is amazing though. The unmanned aerial surviellance units can detech a heart beat from miles away. This was used thorougly in Afghanistan when Taliban fighters would try and wait for hours in the mountains for a passing patrol. Instead the patrols would have the eye in the sky look out in front of them for potential threats so they could go quiet or call in arty./magic dragon strikes.

SilverScoober02

That is wicked.....

jvick125

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Oh def. My physics teacher in high school (02-'03) was a former SR-71 pilot and told us, of what he could, some of the spy technology he could.