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Old Aug 21, 2009 | 07:02 PM
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Family told by NHS: Alzheimer's is not a 'health condition'

NHS Worcestershire ruled that Judith Roe, 74, did not qualify for NHS funding because her condition was a "social" rather than "health" problem, even though she was so ill she could not make a cup of tea and regularly left the stove on.

She was forced to sell her £200,000 home to pay her £600-a-week nursing home fees, which would have been funded if she had been categorised correctly.

...In 2006, a government review revealed that one in five elderly people were being wrongfully denied free care.
20% failure rate....****ing awesome.
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Seriously with all the medicine that we push out, and all the life expectancies growing we can conclude that more problems end up happening because of more things you are exposed to as you age.

Are we doing the world a favor of extending life? I think the age cutoff should be 60-70. The more life is extended, the more crazier things develop. There is one thing in the human body that is consistent, and that is degeneration. Not too sure if trying to solve problems and this and that is going to make life easier for older folks. Just end up having to take another 20-30 pills and other radiation treatment.

I'm not all upset or have anything against older folks, I just think we should be expecting these kinds of diseases for having people on this planet that old, exposed to even more UV and other types of radiation and chemicals.
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Seriously with all the medicine that we push out, and all the life expectancies growing we can conclude that more problems end up happening because of more things you are exposed to as you age.

Are we doing the world a favor of extending life? I think the age cutoff should be 60-70. The more life is extended, the more crazier things develop. There is one thing in the human body that is consistent, and that is degeneration. Not too sure if trying to solve problems and this and that is going to make life easier for older folks. Just end up having to take another 20-30 pills and other radiation treatment.

I'm not all upset or have anything against older folks, I just think we should be expecting these kinds of diseases for having people on this planet that old, exposed to even more UV and other types of radiation and chemicals.
Logan's Run?

My grandfather made it 93 in fairly good health.
My mom died in her mid 50's from lung cancer & took 3 years to die.
Old Aug 22, 2009 | 11:12 PM
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Old Aug 22, 2009 | 11:48 PM
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People can ignore all they want, that's just refuting the idea to discuss and argue information that is being seen throughout the internet. There are plenty of people who have bad and good stories about living old and dying. This has nothing to do with that. This has to do with the health care issue.

I have a lot of haters, but who cares? Ideas through the internet spread like wildfire than any other type of mass communication. It has blown the TV and radio away. If I get flamed for it from most people on this board, then I don't care, at least you guys are understand what (to me and many others) really thing.

Go to ANY college campus and take a poll of who is conservative and who is a liberal. You'll understand what I mean. The boat shifted sides extremely fast and quick. About 60% if not more college, gaining education, students are conservative, and it's growing. Sorry, but that zombie k-12 is a load of crap.

I was taught to go Democrat, they help the poor people. Then you gain your own mind in college and realize that people who work for their stuff shouldn't be helping people who don't. In the end conservatism, sticking with the constitution, is the path and reason our founding fathers wrote that document and that is what I stand by.
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However, being health is not exactly a luxury item either. Let's say you're a poor ditch digger and you break your arm on the job. Now you can't dig ditches nor can you afford treatment. As a country, do we just say "oh well, do better in life next time"?
This is exactly what I get out of this topic, and why I don't understand.
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Originally Posted by iLoqin
People can ignore all they want, that's just refuting the idea to discuss and argue information that is being seen throughout the internet. There are plenty of people who have bad and good stories about living old and dying. This has nothing to do with that. This has to do with the health care issue.

I have a lot of haters, but who cares? Ideas through the internet spread like wildfire than any other type of mass communication. It has blown the TV and radio away. If I get flamed for it from most people on this board, then I don't care, at least you guys are understand what (to me and many others) really thing.

Go to ANY college campus and take a poll of who is conservative and who is a liberal. You'll understand what I mean. The boat shifted sides extremely fast and quick. About 60% if not more college, gaining education, students are conservative, and it's growing. Sorry, but that zombie k-12 is a load of crap.

I was taught to go Democrat, they help the poor people. Then you gain your own mind in college and realize that people who work for their stuff shouldn't be helping people who don't. In the end conservatism, sticking with the constitution, is the path and reason our founding fathers wrote that document and that is what I stand by.
At which colleges? I'm not sure what kind of university you went to, but that sure wasn't/isn't the case anywhere I have gone/visited/ or am going to. Flip that figure, and I think you are more on target.

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People can ignore all they want, that's just refuting the idea to discuss and argue information that is being seen throughout the internet.........
It's things like people should have their life cut at at 60-70 years of age and several other irrational things that had me break out the ignore list on you.

Notice how I don't agree with half the people in this forum, but somehow I still read what they have to say. You can beat on the "poor people are poor because they're lazy" drums all day, doesn't make it true or useful.

.... and I'm sure all you read was as I'm sure you're too busy out in society making a positive difference instead complaining on the internet about how poor people are inconveniencing every aspect of your otherwise productive life in the rat race.
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You make a prime example of the happy go ignorance of the mass media. People don't think for themselves 'til they hit college, I was in college during this time. Most of the time politics was centered at how Bush did a horrible job and many couldn't wait for Obama to come into office.

Regrettably, one of the upcoming and famous titles that is coming about now is "Voter's Remorse" much like "Buyer's Remorse" many folks, including I, voted for this man as he sounded promising to take action. Much of that action is in the wrong direction.

A few months after office many are realizing that the change he kept saying and the transparency he kept promising are false. I, for one was a strong democrat, within few months of office, I am extremely strong conservative (although I do not align myself with the republican party and everything they stand for) I do realize, as many folks are, that SPENDING FASTER than we were already spending isn't the cure to "jolt" the economy. It is these actions and fallacies of #'s the government + federal reserve keep spewing to us that shows these false presumptions.

The swing of the average college student is more conservative now that Obama (or the big guys controlling him) has done a real royal job at being president (keep in mind, that any president would be facing these problems; however, Obama's action to spend more rather than work on our debt/saving the dollar bill is pissing many folks off)

There was a huge party swing for the democrats, but I can certainly guarantee you in 2010 and 2012 the seats will be flying back and these spending policies and behind the wall issues are going to crumble the party in power.

That being said, that whole 60-70 year old idea is obviously not so clear cut. I'm not stating to blow them off the map, and we won't have any of these problems. You do have to consider that the things we think are helping people are in fact hindering them at the same time. Pills and medicine are not natural. To me, diseases, starvation, cancer, etc. is the earth's way of trying to depopulate an over populated planet. It was more of a post to think about THE HEALTH CARE ISSUE, and the idea that humans can make life better (by poppin' pills all day). You wonder why all of these diseases and problems are arising a lot more (as the baby boomer age is living longer).
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The planet is not overpopulated.
People over use what the planet has to offer.
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My apologies if anybody else has pointed this out, but calling this wacky "health care" thing a Democrat idea must come from a poorly educated individual. Many countries around the world offer free health care, and ALL of those countries have a healthier populace with (on average) longer life spans. I'm not saying that the plan Obama has put forth is perfect, but you have to start somewhere, and for god's sake at least make that starting point an educated one.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/?e=10&ref=text
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Originally Posted by EricCRussell
My apologies if anybody else has pointed this out, but calling this wacky "health care" thing a Democrat idea must come from a poorly educated individual. Many countries around the world offer free health care, and ALL of those countries have a healthier populace with (on average) longer life spans. I'm not saying that the plan Obama has put forth is perfect, but you have to start somewhere, and for god's sake at least make that starting point an educated one.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/?e=10&ref=text
1. It's not "free" health care.
2. Diet, exercise, lifestyle, play a huge role in longevity.
Old Aug 24, 2009 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
1. It's not "free" health care.
2. Diet, exercise, lifestyle, play a huge role in longevity.
^^^^

I agree with Paul up to this point. The very core principal in economics is that there's no such thing as a free product/service.

A change in lifestyle be a huge help in lessening the burden on our health care system. But good luck with promoting that message in the United "Don't tell Me What To Do" States.
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The planet is not overpopulated.
People over use what the planet has to offer.
YES. A prime example is our country: we make up 5% of the world population, but use over 80% of the world's resources.
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Originally Posted by Superglue WRX
^^^^

I agree with Paul up to this point. The very core principal in economics is that there's no such thing as a free product/service.

A change in lifestyle be a huge help in lessening the burden on our health care system. But good luck with promoting that message in the United "Don't tell Me What To Do" Fat Box States.
Fixed.

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I think they should have a FAT BOX. Just like they have to check your carry on to see if it fits under the seat or in the over head. They should have a airplane seat in a glass case. If you can sit in the seat without problems ,,, You get a one ticket seat. If you cant sit in the seat without all us laughing then you get to buy two seats.



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