Sadly I think he's right. The american people obviously aren't mature enough to deal with having a woman leader. The ego's are just to fragile

 

I agree. I honestly don't think (and I pray) that Hillary won't make it past the primaries.

-Chris

 

It's sad but true.

The electoral vote may have been reasonably close between Kerry and Bush but the difference in the popular was a joke. I'm sorry but it was... 3,500,000 voters was never expected to happen seeing how everyone expected a wave of young voters to vote Kerry & somehow dwarf the Republican vote etc etc. Most of these young voters stood up to their word and did vote for Kerry but the campaing somehow lost a lot of unexpected ground. It's already been admitted from the Democrats that their campaign somehow failed. Now imagine the first woman candidate in the history of the Presidency. It's laughable for both parties because of said ego.

The popular vote usually doesn’t matter but it does in this case because so much was predicted to happen that never ****ing happened with the Dem’s. If the Democrats want to see their candidate get elected in 2008 they're going need to revamp everything starting yesterday.

 

It's sad (to me, an agnostic) that the views of people so intrenched in religion that they ingnored the healthcare, economy, foreign policy and a multitude of non-religion issues and voted purely on faith.

I heard so many interviews on the news with Bush voters talking about how they voted for Bush because "God" would take care of the rest.

 

werd -

at least he's not like those crybabies i saw on t.v. - that said they are moving to canada if bush gets re-elected- i'm like... GO!
but thats okay... i still like monkeys






aloha from the summit of *-^-Mauna kea-^-*

 

I absolutely agree.

My Father married into my extremely religious step-family that was exactly the same. They relied on Jesus to cure my handicapped brother. It got so bad that I went off on every single one of them at the age of 16. I told then their views were a ****ing joke... I literally yelled that at them, got in my truck and drove off during Thanksgiving.

My Step-mom and Father are now divorced and aren't religious anymore because they also felt betrayed by religion. My brother is 14yrs old and still can't walk or talk... he bangs his head with the palm of his hand when he's hungry. Imagine how strong I feel on this issue and ask me if I believe in any of it.

I also feel the same on a handful of other Democratic/Liberal issues and people wonder why I get upset when I'm called a "flag-wearing" conservative.

 

im a democrat that voted republican, so i could have cared less both ways really...

like i said before i didn’t vote bush into office but i did vote for a second term, to me kerry wasn’t a democrat but a demorat and that’s why i didn’t vote for him

edgar,

 

WHAT WHY?!?!? Kerry is a democrat!!! Tell me how he isn't?

Anyways this election scares the crap out of me honestly. I can get drafted IF it happens. (Yes salty i know, but im saying if because I believe if it gets worse over there something will have to be done. And I believed either Kerry or Bush would have to do it.) I'll start a seperate thread.

 

Let's just be clear that this sort of thing is not the norm for religious folks. Even MOST Christian Scientists do take their children to the doctor, and they are the ones who think diseases don't exist.

 

So IYHO, generally all liberals are too radical to accept Bush as a president, but, on the other hand, all conservatives are generally moderate enough to accept a democratic president.

I'm not picking on you, Salty- that same thought crossed my mind (though vice-versa),

I ask you to please realize this: From a moderate point of view, the opposite moderate point of view will be more or less ignored, because there isn't a whole lot to disagree with. So, accordingly, moderate conservatives, like yourself, can only see the far-left, which they vehemently disagree with. And vise-versa, moderate democrats look over moderate republicans, only to see the other side as 'far-right.'

This flawed way of thinking only contributes to the polarization of our country, which I think is moving in the wrong direction. It is hard to see that this is the wrong direction to those of you with your party in power, but after losing an election, I, and many others on the left, have come to the realization that the left-right bickering needs to stop and we need to work to better our country as a whole. This would include uniting the people in support of the president. But, he must comethrough with his promise to work to gain the support of those who voted against him.

After wring this, I also thought of something very important:

Aways keep in mind that there are no clear-cut definitions for left, right, liberal, conservative, moderate, radical, and so on... Everything is realtive to one's own point of view. Everyone has a different 'center.' I think when we get into political discussions and arguments, the failure to realize this is a major problem. Since we have differnt definitions for the words we are using, it allows us to disagree and both feel correct. This leads to endless back-and-forth arguments, leading to nowhere whatsoever.

...just a thought

 

I think Kerry losing the election has made me start to think very logically...


can someone explain this?

 

Another on that note....

Good friend of the family got breast cancer a few years ago. Very religious people. My aunt would go over to their house a few times a week because she was good friends with this woman. She would take her brochures for cancer institutes and different treatments but these people (husband too) would refuse to even look at them saying that God was going to cure her. At one point they kicked her out because she kept bringing in the cancer information hoping one day that they would wise up and see a specialist about this. They didn't. The woman died this last summer and left behind a beautiful little girl of 8 years old. I mean how do these people think like that? I mean the Lord gave you a brain to think for yourself with ya know?

 

They may not have accepted it but they certainly would have driven-on by now.

 

In response to some of these posts, it is asanine for religious extremists to simply do nothing when it comes to administering the right medicine / care. And the biblical base for that is non-existent.

 

Once again, this DOES NOT represent the mainstream, but a super-small faction of folks from all religions.

You need to be willing to walk through a door if it opens. In my opinion, having someone push you to see a specialist is that open door.