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Old 02-22-2005, 12:37 PM
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Talking CNN vs .50 Cal

It appears that CNN violated the Gun Control Act and a few other federal gun control laws via possible straw purchase in attempt to address the "horrible dangers" of .50 BMG rifles. Basically... they may have committed a few felonies by stumbling over a gun control laws they were ignorant to in the first place.Name:  lol.gif
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http://smallestminority.blogspot.com...is-jed-at.html

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Here's the plain-language explanation, from the ATF's FAQ:

From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA?

A person may only buy a firearm within the person s own State, except that he or she may buy a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee's premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides.

So the short answer is, you can buy a firearm out of your state of residence from a licensed dealer only. CNN's story involves a private sale; they make an explicit point of that in their voiceover.

Please do read all of the links. (End of edit.)

David Codrea has picked it up, too. The story origininated at The Claire Files message board with a post by "kbarrett" that goes:

It looks like CNN aired a spot this evening of one of its own reporters finding a .50 cal rifle on Gunsamerica.com for sale by a private owner in Houston, and then flying to Houston, paying cash, and then flying with said rifle back to Atlanta.
Just so everyone's on the same wavelength... I have never seen or heard of Tyrone and Bebe robbing a convenience store with a BMG. It just doesn't happen... the weapon is good for piercing old 350 engine blocks at a click away and that's about it. Otherwise, it's just a bulky weapon with little value on the grand terrorism scale. Why opt for a BMG when you can probably get your hands on a missile as a terrorist? You could lay prone just outside the fence of an airport and **** off pilots/ passenger by delaying flights if you wanted.

You shoot the engine or wing, the pilots look at each other perplexed as the siren goes off inside the cockpit. Then they radio your position to airport security while you're still waiting for the last dust cloud to settle from the last shot you took. And even if you did wait till the bird was airborne it would be like duck hunting teals with a .22 short. A-10's have taken AAA 20mm & .50 fire all day long and still landed after a successful mission. Those airliners are designed to fly with 1 Rolls Royce engine and those very engines are designed to take a whole flock of geese at 500mph. They're also engineered to withstand a loose titanium turbofan blade at the same speed. Lame argument for CNN and I hope they get **** raped for it.

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The Argument: CNN believed that if they (CNN New Correspondent, Drew Griffin) traveled to Texas they could legally get the rifle without the paperwork a dealer requires. They could if the person (Drew Griffin) buying it was a Texas resident, but if you are from out of state, this violates the Gun Control Act.

Also, getting a person in that state to buy it for you in order to take is out of state is illegal under federal law and carry felony charges.



CNN even mentions it to be from a private seller in their transcripts

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...19/stn.01.html

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LIN: What we are about to show you may surprise you. CNN bought a gun, a really big gun, made for war. The surprising part is how we got our hands on it.

Now we did it legally and we did it easily. In this report, you'll only see right here on CNN, investigative correspondent Drew Griffin went online shopping. And wait until you see what he brought home.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DREW GRIFFIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: To buy a gun, even a .50 caliber gun, this huge gun, you just need to go to your computer and click on one of the biggest classified gun sites, which in our case is gunsamerica.com. AK-47s, shotguns, pistols, all kinds of rifles.

But what we wanted to buy was the biggest caliber rifle you could possibly buy. And that's this category right here, .50 caliber rifles.

This is the gun that is now banned in California. And on this Web site, we have about three dozen of them for sale. But what we're looking for is one that is not being sold by a dealer. See where it says "federal licensed firearm dealer?" We are trying to find one that's being sold by just a private citizen.

This is actually the one we bought. When you finally find the gun you want on this Web site, and you're dealing with a private party, you just give him your e-mail. And you send him a note "let's set up a meeting, I'm paying cash." And the next thing you know, we're going to buy our gun.

(voice-over): But before I shelled out $2500 to buy this gun, I wanted to make sure I could buy ammunition. That turned out to be as easy as ordering flowers. With just a couple of clicks on my computer, I ordered and paid by credit card for .50 caliber armor piercing rounds.

They were delivered in a week. Shells as long as my hand delivered, no questions asked, by UPS. I could have even bought tracer rounds if I'd wanted. Now it was time to get the gun.

(on camera):What we're about to do is perfectly legal in dozens of states where cash and carry is the rule. A private seller, a private buyer. There will be no background check, no government waiting period, no government paperwork at all. In fact, the only paper that will change hands is the money we use to buy our .50 caliber rifle.

(voice-over): The transaction at a house in suburban Houston took about 20 minutes. We walked out with a case holding the gun critics say is the perfect terrorist weapon, a brand new .50 caliber with scope bipod and directions.

We flew home. Guns are checked as baggage. And when the bags arrived for our flight, I simply picked it up and left.

Ronnie Barrett, who manufactures .50 caliber rifles, believes as an American, it is your right to own one.

Isn't that particular gun in the hands of a terrorist dangerous?

RONNIE BARRETT, BARRETT MANUFACTURING: We're not talking about terrorists. We're disarming here civilians. These laws have nothing to do with terrorism.

GRIFFIN: Barrett's company makes one of the most popular and top of the line .50 caliber rifles on the market, a semi automatic favored by armies around the world, but Barrett says his company couldn't survive on military orders alone. And what keeps all these workers busy is its popularity among recreational shooters.

Barrett says it may be effective on the battlefield, but on the target range, it's just plain fun.

Should there be any regulations on your guns?

BARRETT: There should be regulations on criminals.

GRIFFIN: Gun control advocates want a federal ban on this weapon. Their reasoning? Anything that can hit a target at 1,000 yards with a bullet the size of a small artillery shell could certainly pose a major threat to aircraft.

(on camera): But the question at most of the nation's airports is not what you could do with a .50 caliber gun at 1,000 yards. Here at LAX, a would-be terrorist could get within less than 1,000 feet.

(voice-over): This week at a police gun range, I found out what this gun could do to the emergency exit door of a Boeing 727 fired from 1,000 feet away. The gun is very heavy, not easy to maneuver, but took only a few moments to set up. The first time I fired it, I missed. After adjusting for the site, round after armored piercing round went straight through the door.

But just about any gun could pierce the think aluminum skin of an airplane. What scares law enforcement is what else this round can do when fired from this gun. This is a one inch thick piece of steel plate, more protection than almost any armored car. The .50 caliber goes right through the aircraft door and right through one inch steel.

Wow, right through.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right through it, baby.

GRIFFIN: That's where it came out. That's where it went it. One inch steel plate. Just unbelievable.

(on camera): Had we purchased this gun from a federal firearms dealer, it would have required a background check, some paperwork, and proof of residency and age. But because this was a private sale between a buyer and a seller from the same state, this transaction was simply cash and carry. No record of this gun whatsoever.

Drew Griffin, CNN, Atlanta.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

Here's Drew Griffin's bio:

http://edition.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_r...ffin.drew.html

I see no mention of Texas.

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Houston ATF May Investigate CNN felony

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We should take one skeet shooting.
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
We should take one skeet shooting.

No way! The chances of overshooting into an airliner cruising at 500mph above 35,000ft is far too great. [/sarcasm]
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Let's go ahead and do some simple physics, shall we?

The effective range for a Barrett M82A1 is 1820meters. Anything after that is a shot not worth taking on a direct/land target. Anything beyond 1820meters would be anything from indirect to eventually plunging type fire (for my military guys).

So let's consider the type of damage that could be done to a 747 on the ground. Someone could probably get shot through the skin of the fuselage and hit a civilian in the head. But this could be done with a regular 30-06. So are we going to ban those too? To effectively damage these types of planes with a bullet the cabin needs to be pressurized and there needs to be a huge area of low pressure outside the cabin, right?

Significant cabin pressurization usually starts around 15,000ft. At least that's when you'd want to put on an O2 mask if you were about to make a HALO/HAHO jump with the ramp down. 15,000 ft turns into 4,572 meters or x2.5 the effective range of the Barrett.... Uhhh yeah.... Now consider the fact you're probably shooting that bullet against the direct force of gravity towards an object that's close to mach1. Assuming the bullet can even reach that altitude and hasn't already begun it's decent towards earth, a passenger could hypothetically reach out and grab the damn thing like a slow moving baseball.

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Look, Salty, you can't bait our gun hating Socialists into an argument using sound logic and facts.
Facts are that no rifle using the .50 BMG cartridge has ever been used in a crime of significance. Not that this matters, but not one legally owned Class III weapon has been used in a crime since 1934, and that crime was committed by an LEO.
These rifles offer a poor ROI for bad guys; anything a bad guy can do with this gun could be done cheaper using other methods.
The hype surrounding .50 cal rifles is nothing **** poor fear mongering by anti gun types & makes me sick.

If the US is really serious about waging a war on terrorism/terrorists, the gov't needs to loosen gun ownership laws, not tighten them.
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I so want one of those Barretts! The damn barrel recoils for christsake! Thats friggin sweet! :banana: :banana:
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Originally Posted by SilverScoober02
I so want one of those Barretts! The damn barrel recoils for christsake! Thats friggin sweet! :banana: :banana:

And thank god it does. I said the very same thing until I had to hump that ***** out of the Louisiana Jungle. Never again. Don't laugh either... a lot of those backwoods thickets require a machete and will leave you crying in frustration after you've only gained 50meters of ground in the last 3 hours. Those 'wait-a-minute' vines will have you bleeding and low crawling with a 30lb beast and 60lb rucksack in no time.

I wish I could have made it to my fire position and radioed a supply drop like they do in the video games.

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Originally Posted by Salty
And thank god it does. I said the very same thing until I had to hump that ***** out of the Louisiana Jungle. Never again. Don't laugh either... a lot of those backwoods thickets require a machete and will leave you crying in frustration after you've stayed in he same spot for 3 hours as you try and negotiate through the 'wait-a-minute' vines.

I wish I could have made it to my fire position and radioed a supply drop like they do in the video games.
Does it still kick like a mother? Of course if I bought one for the 8 grand that they cost I wouldn't be lugging it around except for from my car to the firing range or into the backwoods of northern michigan.....It would still be sweet! But yeah I don't envy you when you had to carry the bastard out of the louisiana jungle.
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I can just see someone robbing a store shooting off their gun and flying to the back of the store.
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Originally Posted by SilverScoober02
Does it still kick like a mother? Of course if I bought one for the 8 grand that they cost I wouldn't be lugging it around except for from my car to the firing range or into the backwoods of northern michigan.....It would still be sweet! But yeah I don't envy you when you had to carry the bastard out of the louisiana jungle.
The recoil is similar to a .338 Win which is a big round too. A lot of the recoil is dispersed with a good body and feet position too.
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I heard that Barret stopped selling them to the LAPD after they showed one in a news conference aimed at making the public aware of the danger of civilians owning one. If you like guns check out my home page. Heres a pic of me holding a P90 at this years shot show in Vegas.

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Sorry, file to large. I have some really good shot of me behind a Ma Duece, me with a p2000. An HK silenced MK23, UMP .40, MP5 SD5 etc. So many toys..........

On topic though, I hope they get charged with the crimes they commited. Wasn't there a senator that forgot about a concealed pistol when he was trying to board a plane and they were screaming for prison time? Whatever happened to that guy?
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I'm going to change the subject here because your mentioning of HK's made me think about a certain instance with Subaruguru in highschool.

We've always been avid gun gurus and took a trip to the Old Sacramento Armoury in downtown. We were only 17 at the time IIRC but we probably knew more about weapons than some of the workers there. They actually showed us some knock-off G3 and tried to pass it off as the real deal. It seriously looked like they injected copper into a plaster mold. We humored the dealer and eventually walked out of the store in disgust and disbelief. It was seriously that bad and reminded me of these copper katana fittings:

http://www.bladefittings.com/newgal/...oad%20Skin.jpg

It was the funniest thing ever and we still talk about it from time to time. Stay away from that store.

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