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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 10:41 AM
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If there is only one god to look up to who else would they be looking to? I'm sure that the interpertation and application of the bibles teachings are different but I would not go so far as to say that they worship a different god, they just see God differently.
in that sense how is it different from the jewish god, or islamic god?

they all believe in one god. so they must be looking at the same god as christians right?

but that can't be right as all those various religions conflict with each other on what/who god is.
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Originally Posted by ish
in that sense how is it different from the jewish god, or islamic god?

they all believe in one god. so they must be looking at the same god as christians right?

but that can't be right as all those various religions conflict with each other on what/who god is.


EXACTLY!!! They all DO worship the same god. Jews made monotheism. Then Christians said, no you're doing it wrong, this is the right way to worship god. Then Muslims did the same thing. You can make divisions all over...there are a lot of types of Jews, lots of types of Christians, and lots of types of Muslims. But those are the three major catagories of monotheism. Take a god damn religion class...Mormons and Jehovah's Witnessess ARE CHRISTIANS!!!!! If you don't like that, because they think so much differently than your type of Christianity, that's TOO DAMN BAD! They're still Christians.
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Originally Posted by ish
if mormons, jehova witness, etc is included as being "christian" then please don't think of me as being christian as i do not share any of their befiefs

This is the mindset that is blinding you to the logic I have already laid out very clearly. I'm sorry that you hate Mormon's and Jehova's Witnessess so bad...and I understand that your beliefs are very different than their's. But Orthodox Jews and most modern Jews have very different beliefs also. And they are all considered Jewish. Just like you, all the Mormons, and all the Jehovah's Witnessess are CHRISTIANS!


(Now do you see the logic)
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ish
in that sense how is it different from the jewish god, or islamic god?

they all believe in one god. so they must be looking at the same god as christians right?

but that can't be right as all those various religions conflict with each other on what/who god is.

You got it twisted, its not that the God is different its just how we see and worship that God that is different. Its a in the eye of the beholder type of thing. Some people see a commuter car, we see a sports car but its still the same car.
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 11:34 AM
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EXACTLY!!! They all DO worship the same god. Jews made monotheism. Then Christians said, no you're doing it wrong, this is the right way to worship god. Then Muslims did the same thing. You can make divisions all over...there are a lot of types of Jews, lots of types of Christians, and lots of types of Muslims. But those are the three major catagories of monotheism. Take a god damn religion class...Mormons and Jehovah's Witnessess ARE CHRISTIANS!!!!! If you don't like that, because they think so much differently than your type of Christianity, that's TOO DAMN BAD! They're still Christians.

wow, you guys don't need to yell at me.

i have taken religion classes, tia.

your logic of saying its all the same god isn't making sense. lets take Judiasm, Islam, and Christianity. (leave mormons and jehova witness out for now). you say they all worship they same god, just in different ways right? Christianity is based upon Jesus Christ. The fact that Jesus Christ was God in human form. all throughout the new testament multiple references to Jesus claiming to be God. This is why the Jews crucified him.

How can the Jewish god and the Muslim god be the same god as the christian one? They both deny who Jesus said he was. Christians say Jesus is god, jews don't, muslims don't. how does that make the christian god the same as the others? sound like two different god's to me.

They all are monotheistic, believe in one God, they just dont believe it to be the same God. its not that its all the same and they are just different views of God.
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
This is the mindset that is blinding you to the logic I have already laid out very clearly. I'm sorry that you hate Mormon's and Jehova's Witnessess so bad...and I understand that your beliefs are very different than their's. But Orthodox Jews and most modern Jews have very different beliefs also. And they are all considered Jewish. Just like you, all the Mormons, and all the Jehovah's Witnessess are CHRISTIANS!


(Now do you see the logic)

who ever said I hate mormons? thanks for putting words in my mouth. I am just trying to point out that there is a difference and they are separate religions/beliefs.

jehova witnesses aren't even monotheistic. one example:
John 1:1 "in the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was a god." [New World Translation]

they believe jesus was a god different from god the father and actually the brother of the archangel michael.

Every other version out there of the bible states "...the word was god."

(if you didn't know, the new world translation is the only translation that the jehova witnesses accept as being true and all protestant/catholic/other christian groups accept all but that translation)


i am not being blinded to your logic. you are just trying to fit everything into 3 categories, jew, muslim, or christian without realizing that there are more out there than just the three.

i suggest reading up on these various groups some before you lump them all together as being the same
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Ish, I didn't mean to 'yell'. Don't want to offend anyone with this discussion. But here's what I'm saying:

Jews read the old testament. Christians read the old testament and the new testament. Muslims read (rarely) the old testament, (rarely) the new testatment, and mostly the 'final testament' (the Koran). They all do worship the same god. They differ on who they think the messiah is. Jesus was Jewish. He said he was the son of the Jewish God. Which makes the Christian god and the Jewish god the same guy. Mohammed said very similar things. Each is just a rendition of how to worship this one god in the correct way. Just like each sect of Christianity claims that their own way to worship god is correct. If you look at the history of monotheism from an objective, non-religious perspective it is obvious that all three major divisions, and all of each of their subdivisions, worship the same god. There are nearly infinate ways in which to worship said god, and many of the religions claim that all the other ones are plain and simply wrong. That is why it's hard for a Baptist, for example, to see that an extreamist-Muslim is trying to worship the same god. Because they have such different views on what that god wants, they can't see that the roots are the same.
As an example, look at a family tree. My great grandfather and my third cousin's great grandfather are the same guy. My third cousin and I have never met, and I'll bet we're extreamly different people. But we still are on the same family tree. Just like the three religions in discussion (and all of their subdivisions) are in the same 'religious family tree'. And to get back to the original discussion, Mormons, Baptists, Catholics, and Jehovah's Witnessess are closer together on this family tree, and the branch they all have in common is reffered to as Christianity.
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