Bush saluting Satan?
I asked my mormon friend once if Mormonism is a form of Christanity, his answer is yes. But if you ask people of other faiths Christian faiths (people that take their faith seriously, anyways) and they will most likely say no. Its a toss up to me.
Originally Posted by psoper
But they say they are a church of Jesus Christ, so in that sense they are Christians
That "latter day saints" bit can get pretty strange though....
That "latter day saints" bit can get pretty strange though....
* Just for the record I don't know any mormons who think like this*
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Originally Posted by ish
mormonism is a cult and is far from being Christian.
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
I saw a really good dateline special about fundamental mormanism in a city called colorado city arizona, They say that "the streets will run red with the blood of thier enemies". Meaning everyone who's not mormon. They also go and gather in the desert one day every year and wait for the messiah to come down in a spaceship, he hasn't come yet though. Sounds kinda familiar. Pretty interesting. Did any one else see this?
* Just for the record I don't know any mormons who think like this*
* Just for the record I don't know any mormons who think like this*
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Originally Posted by deyes
Lol! You people kill me! I love "Christians" that think they need others to validate their being a Christian. You either are or your not. Its like being a dad, is it just having a kid or is it more than that?
Good point. But to me, if you recognize a singular god...you're not Jewish...and you're not Islamic...then you're a Christian. Catholics, Baptists, Protestants, Mormons, Russian Orthadox, Snake Handlers, Televangelists, Evangelicals, and every other kind there is are all Christian. If you yourself ARE a Christian, and don't recognize another form of Christianity as being Christian, then that's your problem. But the truth is they're all part of Christianity.
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I watched the same dateline, there was nothing about a spaceship, I think your confusing them with another offshoot religion.
Was it the same one with the lady who helped the teenage girls escape to save them from the paligamists?
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Originally Posted by psoper
But they say they are a church of Jesus Christ, so in that sense they are Christians
That "latter day saints" bit can get pretty strange though....
That "latter day saints" bit can get pretty strange though....
In that same sense then would you consider Christian Science to be Christian just because it has the word in it?
Just because they have Jesus Christ in their names makes them Christians? that is funny.
In order for something to be christian you have to look at what they believe, not what they call themselves.
Mormons don't believe that Jesus Christ is God. That is the underlying thing that defines a Christian.
If you guys would like more details between Christianity and other religions that you believe to be so called "christian" let me know, i would be happy to distinguish them apart.
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Look out we have another mormon expert!
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Originally Posted by ish
expert, no. have i done a lot of research on it and talked for hours upon hours with various mormons? yes i have.
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Originally Posted by ish
In that same sense then would you consider Christian Science to be Christian just because it has the word in it?
Just because they have Jesus Christ in their names makes them Christians? that is funny.
In order for something to be christian you have to look at what they believe, not what they call themselves.
Mormons don't believe that Jesus Christ is God. That is the underlying thing that defines a Christian.
If you guys would like more details between Christianity and other religions that you believe to be so called "christian" let me know, i would be happy to distinguish them apart.
Just because they have Jesus Christ in their names makes them Christians? that is funny.
In order for something to be christian you have to look at what they believe, not what they call themselves.
Mormons don't believe that Jesus Christ is God. That is the underlying thing that defines a Christian.
If you guys would like more details between Christianity and other religions that you believe to be so called "christian" let me know, i would be happy to distinguish them apart.
How about Catholics? are they Christians?
Are Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell Christians?
Was David Koresh a Christian?
Are these new self-proclaimed "Christian Zionists" really Christians?
How does W's lying about weapons of mass destruction, sending the US military in and killing ten's if not hundred's of thousands, (many of them total innocent) Iraqi's
fit in with the words of his "favorite philosopher"? -Who would Jesus Bomb?
How about "Positive" Christianity? (if you don't know what that is/was- look it up).
Your position reminds me of a mythology teacher I had in high school who started the semester by explaining that Christian mythology isn't mythology- its the truth, that makes it different than any other real mythology, which were just stories made up to explain things people didn't understand.
I think it has to go beyond anything they profess or say they believe in, or what sequence of chants they perform on Sunday, from my perspective it is more about how you treat other people, whether you practice the christian morals of respecting other people, reaching out to those less fortunate and practicing forgiveness says a lot more to me about a person's "christianity" than any of the rest of the crap.
I have no problems with the fundamental values that Christ was supposed to be suggesting people live by, so that makes me a fundamentalists eh? -but I think almost all organized religions- especially these so-called evangelical wing-nuts are pretty far off track- to the point I think a lot of them are professing some very un-christian principles.
But whatever, I just really think the little BS/devil/hook'em salute really should stay in the realm of the heavy metal crowd- it's one thing to see Ronnie James Dio do it while he's singing about Lucifer coming up and taking your soul, but from W- it's just.....it's very un-presidential- no matter what the excuse...
Oh and I didn't throw those out just to spite you I am curious to hear your take on some of these "mainstream" (OK, so some are obscure) "christian" movements
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Originally Posted by psoper
Your position reminds me of a mythology teacher I had in high school who started the semester by explaining that Christian mythology isn't mythology- its the truth, that makes it different than any other real mythology, which were just stories made up to explain things people didn't understand.
I think it has to go beyond anything they profess or say they believe in, or what sequence of chants they perform on Sunday, from my perspective it is more about how you treat other people, whether you practice the christian morals of respecting other people, reaching out to those less fortunate and practicing forgiveness says a lot more to me about a person's "christianity" than any of the rest of the crap.
I have no problems with the fundamental values that Christ was supposed to be suggesting people live by, so that makes me a fundamentalists eh? -but I think almost all organized religions- especially these so-called evangelical wing-nuts are pretty far off track- to the point I think a lot of them are professing some very un-christian principles.
I think it has to go beyond anything they profess or say they believe in, or what sequence of chants they perform on Sunday, from my perspective it is more about how you treat other people, whether you practice the christian morals of respecting other people, reaching out to those less fortunate and practicing forgiveness says a lot more to me about a person's "christianity" than any of the rest of the crap.
I have no problems with the fundamental values that Christ was supposed to be suggesting people live by, so that makes me a fundamentalists eh? -but I think almost all organized religions- especially these so-called evangelical wing-nuts are pretty far off track- to the point I think a lot of them are professing some very un-christian principles.
no where have i said that certain people are going to hell because they don't believe a certain thing. It is just frustrating when people clasify certain people with a given belief when those people don't believe the same thing. thats all i was getting to.
Originally Posted by psoper
But whatever, I just really think the little BS/devil/hook'em salute really should stay in the realm of the heavy metal crowd- it's one thing to see Ronnie James Dio do it while he's singing about Lucifer coming up and taking your soul, but from W- it's just.....it's very un-presidential- no matter what the excuse...
Originally Posted by psoper
OK, since you mentioned them how about Christ Scientists? are they Christians?
How about Catholics? are they Christians?
Are Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell Christians?
Was David Koresh a Christian?
Are these new self-proclaimed "Christian Zionists" really Christians?
How about "Positive" Christianity? (if you don't know what that is/was- look it up).
Oh and I didn't throw those out just to spite you I am curious to hear your take on some of these "mainstream" (OK, so some are obscure) "christian" movements
How about Catholics? are they Christians?
Are Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell Christians?
Was David Koresh a Christian?
Are these new self-proclaimed "Christian Zionists" really Christians?
How about "Positive" Christianity? (if you don't know what that is/was- look it up).
Oh and I didn't throw those out just to spite you I am curious to hear your take on some of these "mainstream" (OK, so some are obscure) "christian" movements
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