Looks like the president is flip-floppin on his position to not condemn the ads! Lets see if JFK does the same with the anti-bush 527's.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5797164/

Could we actually see a campaign from boths sides that spoke of the issues and not a bunch of BS about who did what in the military?

 

It appears both sides are bending the truth... waddya know!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5782981/

 

Kudos to the President for his statement. I think his advisors are smart enough to know that this could backfire on the undecided voters who actually take the time to do a little research.

It would be nice, but I doubt it. The reality is that 30 or 60 second commercials are expensive, and emotions give a much better bang for the buck than logic.
It's common in advertising - do toothpaste commercials generally go into the details of how their product works and it's advantages over the competition? No, they show beautiful people with white, straight teeth being fabulous - you can be fabulous, too, if you only use this product! lol

 

I don't see the flip-flop if Bush never had anything to do with the Veteran's For Truth organization. Contrary to what Dre says, there's NO evidence that Bush ever funded or had any affiliation with the group.

He saw a private group speaking out against Kerry, sat on the sidelines to see where it would lead and took a stand based on that.

After he realized he couldn't exploit the group for campaign benefits he decided to "call for halt to Swift Boat vets' ads" to appear like the good guy.

No surprise here... this is politics at it's dirtiest and finest.

It’s just like playing in the stock market… You see a promising new company spread their wings, you sit on the sidelines and do your homework on the companies plans and deny (and even condemn) any affiliation with said company when they fail.

 

And it led to Kerry's a$$ served to him on a plate. Plus, with all of this going on the congressional records from the early 70s are giving Vets a legit reason to despise Kerry.

 

I agree with you completely on that one. The flip flop was not really the best choice of words but I knew it would cause a little stir. He should have came out and codemned them right away though but he did it exactly as you said he did.

I would expect nothing less from any politician I guess!

 

They already have...

There's numerous groups (via Google) that have denounced Kerry for his earlier political actions with POW/MIA, political stances, votes etc etc etc.

Yet nobody on the Kerry side brings it up because there's substantial evidence to back the claims made on those url's. They’d rather attack the few claims made by Swiftvets because there’s really no solid record.

 

or you could read at like this...

once people started to see some of hte same contributers to the GOP and to that group they started to question their affiliation..... Then bush all of a sudden condemns them ALL as a means to disarm his opponent... basicly in a gun fight bring a 50cal then have all 50 cals outlawed to make sure that no one can use one against you... knowing damn well that you have a weakness to 50 cal bullets...


smart move.. choike one up for rove and co!

 

Makes sense to me. If there are facts supporting a position, why would a logical person challenge the position? Conversely, if someone is claiming that which is false, why wouldn't a logical person attack the claim?

For the record, I don't know anything about these "facts" other than Kerry's stance on the Vietnam conflict upon his return. But it seems to me, that his outspoken views in the 70's are almost certain to turn off a large number of Vietnam Vets, and possibly turn on some others.

 

Interesting way to look at it even though he never had to do go that far. What supporters of the GOP decided to do with their money is up to them and their motives. Like I said in a previous thread, it's like thought laundering for Bush.

Unless those contributors came forward and said Bush held a gun to their head for contributions there's really nothing there besides that.

Nonetheless, he covered his bases and pulled out completely which makes Dre's assumption highly probable.

 

But let's be honest... you guys really think there were no back-room deals? I highly doubt Bush had no knowledge of this calculated attack against the Kerry platform.

 

Of course he knew about it. One of his biggest campaign contributors was the main finacier of that ad

 

There could have been a back deal via third party as Dre suggests and i'm willing to bet money that Bush knew about it. For Bush to have worked directly with the Swiftboat veterans for truth would have been far too risky and possibly suicidal IMHO.

It makes sense...

The GOP launders money through a middleman for the cause and Bush cuts-sling-load when the cards aren't in his favor. No strings attached!

If the Swiftboat veterans were indirectly funded for the Bush campaign then I’d like to think of them as a loose prostitute. .. Love them and leave them!

 

Reported on MSNBC per GW:

“I think they’re bad for the system,” he said.

When asked specifically whether the ads by the group "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" should be halted, Bush said: "All of them. That means that ad, every other ad. Absolutely."

"I can't be more plain about it," Bush said. "I hope my opponent joins me in condemning these activities of the 527s (political groups that sponsor to ads). I think they're bad for the system."

He did a blanket condemnation on all 527s. Smart man.

 

By whose standards?