Magish

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Haha I find the paranoia more scary than the people they are paranoid about. See Matt's third or fourth point on how illegals are not checked for deseases. :rotfl:

Magish

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And as far as the whole, we used to be Mexico thing while I'm at it.

The names are actually Spanish, not Mexican because mexican is not a language. The spanish-american war was a war fought on false pretext and imperialist ideals and completely unfounded. I'm not saying we should give it back at all, just clearing up some history.

jvick125

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Thank you.

Matth3w

again, its BORDERS. please tell me how kicking the illegals out will not solve anything? they cost almost 30 billion a year in public education, and over 10 billion a year in tax deficit. if you are that dense, that you think their small jobs in restaurants and stuff account for the deficit youre an idiot. its BECAUSE they have the crappy jobs that we pay for them, not despite the fact.

i am ALL for legal immigration.
the same place the workers came for 200 years before immigration became a problem. there are plenty of unemployed americans in this country that are displaced by illegal immigrants. obviously you didnt read my site because there is PAGES of information about this.
illegals have a 49% high school drop out rate. they arent going ANYWHERE because they cant afford crap, so their kids drop out and help out. therefore they are not educated. then they cant afford crap. their kids, etc. its a vicous circle. it has been since immigration became a problem around 1965. also, california with 40% of all illegals in the country scores the WORST on high school national exams, so there goes your education example also.
you are the most niave person i have met in a long time. they come to our country. they tax our system for 40-50 billion extra a year, our hospitals close down, our schools are closing down, they drop out, they account for a huge portion of crime in large cities, and then the very least they could do is invest their money back into the american economy but instead send it to mexico. wow. the fact that you cant comprehend this is amazing..

here is another stupid statement. i cant believe you condone crimes. i hope that someone goes and kills your parents and takes their money. after all, its not his fault your parents werent able to defend themselves, he just saw an opportunity to make money and took it.

i cant believe your pathetic attempt at reasoning. just because someone is hard pressed, etc, does not give them the right to commit a crime against someone else. you dont think the illegals are affecting others? no they are being selfish, and hurtful towards others, especially LEGAL immigrants who waited, did the paperwork, and took the time to come here legally.

just because you are poor, does not give the right to break international laws just because you have the chance. just because some guys family is poor, does not give him the right to rob another family and take their money in the name of trying to better his family's situation. it doesnt work like that, and its pathetic that you think that way.

your view basically just equates to people offing one another to make sure that their best interests are served, even if that means committing and international crime.
who says they are destroying our culture? aside from the fact that most dont bother to learn the language of the country they are going to, who says anything about culture? but, btw, lack of good english from immigrants costs the united states approx 75 billion in revenue each year.

doesnt make sense. we have 12 million people, over 11 percent of mexicos population here damaging our economy, committing crimes, bringing diseases, and costing the tax payers 40-50 billion extra in taxes per year, and you want to keep them.
you are a basket of contradictions. i think its fricking hilarious that you feel that we should allow them to go through a process to beceome citizens once already in the country. WHAT THE HELL do you think the legal immigrants are doing? the same damn thing, only legally.
for christ's sake, its BORDERS.
you mean like taking the TIME to do it LEGALLY? how is that not realistic? i can assure you most immigrants are not RICH. if they were, unless there is a serious problem with their government, they arent coming here.

i can assure you that my wife, my best friend, and his wife, were dirt poor, and managed to immigrate here legally. its easier from mexico. try getting all the paperwork etc while living in communist russia and immigrating from Moscow to here. THATS hard, yet my wifes dirt-poor family all managed to make it, along with every one of her friends, and 90% of the people living in Brighton Beach, NY.

and then with my teachers, who are all Iranian, who managed to immigrate here from a country we dont even have an embassy in, LEGALLY.

funny how all these people can manage to get here legally, but yet these "poor" unfortunate souls have to commit crimes which are basically later pardoned by people like you.

you have yet to present a rational argument. you blatantly ignore all facts presented, and yet present none of your own. show me a study that says we wont get workers to fill spots, etc.

besides, if you keep the criminals from coming in each year, and deport the 12 million we have in here, then we can open up for more LEGAL immigration each year.

furthermore, you think that all 12 million are just going to disappear? nope, it will be gradual. this helps people like you, that think the american economy which survived 200 years prior to illegal immigration problems, will suddenly crash, will be happy.

jvick125

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... Impreza, I'm with you on this one. Matt's whole BORDERS thing, :rotfl:

Matt, you should drive through rural America, let along CA. Infact, go to my hometown of Winters, CA. You'll find some pretty smart mexicans there. Your fair share of illegals and blah blah.

You almost make it seem like the contribute NOTHING to our economy. I think you'd be surprised how many of them are employed legally and therefore have taxes taken out of their checks.

lojasmo

The same paranoia that exists about gay marriage. Bullshyte propagated by biggoted idiots.

Matth3w

bahabhaa....im talking national averages and statistics, youre talking about meeting one or two out of 12 million people.

SilverScoober02

Pointing out typos on the IntarWeb is teh ghey.....

Matth3w

typos and misspelling the word borders ten times are two different things.

SilverScoober02

So what. Everyone knows what he means....

He's probably just doing it to irritate you.

jvick125

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If eye right like this ewe still no what eye am saying.

SilverScoober02

yeppers!

jvick125

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more like 1 or 2 HUNDRED, then maybe you can go to a couple of the surrounding towns and meet another 500 to 1000. Not very small numbers.

Magish

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Show me a study that proves your point! Hell, show me info that proves ANY OF YOUR POINTS!

You keep pointing back to years and years ago, before the G.I. Bill, before America was a superpower, before W.W.II, ect. I hate to break it to you but we've changed since then. Britian is no longer the center of the universe, and they no longer are quarreling with Germany. You point out that there was a higher rate leaving then staying at that point. Well woo-freaking-doo. Immigration laws were incredibly easy back then, and if you could afford a boat-ride over here you were in. We also were not the country everyone wanted to get to. That country was Britian. Since the things listed above, America has become more educated and quite frankly, more stuck-up. We don't want to do the jobs that for the last 10-15+ have been done behind the scenes by people we dont know.

Call me a racist, but I really am not. Look at our culture, and you will see that working in a dead-end job in a resturant is not a prestigous position.

And now, after reading your post I see race is the real issue for you. You presume all these people are carrying T.B., AIDS, SARS, BIrd flu, super-uber-death flu, everything and they are all killing your babies and raping your mothers. Seriously, quit the drugs and realize they are not terrible people. Actually, maybe smoke a joint and you might chill out a little.

And you say, "they commited a felony". Let me put this out there again: I DON'T CARE. No, I don't support all felonys, why do I support this one? Becaause it is our own damn fault that we did not protect our BORDERS, not theirs that they siesed a opprotunity. Can you honestly say you would not come here if you were in Mexico right now? Hell I'd be through that fence and through the desert faster than you can say "illegal alien".

And about not anwering your points, I don't have time right now and I havn't because you have not supported any of them with facts. Put the sources out there I and I will reply.
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case1

i'm plenty mello DUDE, but don't call me out on sh*t, you don't know me or anything about me.

My statement meant that if you deported all illegals, I seriously doubt you would see any white people running out to grab those jobs in the fields picking produce.

As far as names of towns goes, for every non hispanic name for a town, i'll name off ten more with hispanic names......