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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 12:50 PM
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Whats the difference between springs and coilovers?

I'm a noob in suspension and i was wondering what the difference was between springs and coilovers. Im just a daily driver just looking to lower the car, but at the same time improve my cornering abilities.
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:39 PM
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Besides the HUGE difference in price (roughly $100 to $300 for a set of springs VS roughly $1000 to $3000 for a set of coilovers)……

Springs are mainly designed to lower the center of gravity of the car and stiffen your ride a bit (Little performance gain)

Coilovers actually contain springs, struts and upper mounts that are designed to work together as a system, replacing your stock suspension units as a whole. (Huge performance gain)
Also, you can adjust the coilovers base on your needs. (Including ride height adjustments and many others, there are so many things that you can adjust that it literally makes your head hurts.)

I am sure you won’t need a $3000 set of coilovers, if you are just looking for a little performance gain and a lower ride height, so springs are the way to go!
(If you feel you need more performance than springs can give you, you can always buy a set of struts with your springs)


Experts out there:
Please correct/add if I am wrong or missing something important.
Old Mar 5, 2005 | 12:23 PM
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coilovers = adjustable ;] (pricey)
springs = non-adjustable (not pricey)

that's all ;] and the other good info above as well.
Old Mar 6, 2005 | 04:42 PM
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Well, i have Tien or Tein springs on my 03 wrx and it rides very nice but i heard that it's only good for about 30,xxx miles on stock struts, correct me if i'm wrong. But i've had it on for more than 30,xxx miles and it still rides ok but i am upgrading to Jic FLTA1 Or FLTA2, still deciding. What you guys think?
Old Mar 9, 2005 | 09:01 PM
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How long to coilovers last? Without auto crossing or anything...just street use...
Old Mar 10, 2005 | 12:57 PM
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a properly built coilover kit will last longer then an shock/strut assembly if simply daily driven.

edit to add: not ALL coilovers contain tophats. especially on the impreza, these are quite strong from the factory.
Old Mar 11, 2005 | 10:15 AM
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I've been told that each time you mess with the ride height on coilovers, you have to do your alignment. Is this true?
Old Mar 11, 2005 | 10:30 AM
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how often do you believe you'll be changing your ride height?
Old Mar 12, 2005 | 01:39 AM
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Me peronally, I doubt I would change my ride height. The moment I found the right ride height for my daily driving characteristics I would probably just leave it alone. But my friend on the other hand was tellin' me that if it were him, he would be constantly changing his height because he's a spontaneous person. I mean, one day I may like my height to be average. Then later down the road I may want to drop my car. Then soon after than I may want to lift back again.

Bottom line is, I was just wondering if it was true that you would have to get your wheels aligned each time you played with your height settings.
Old Mar 12, 2005 | 02:54 AM
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Bottom line is, I was just wondering if it was true that you would have to get your wheels aligned each time you played with your height settings.
Bottom line is, your car only needs re-alignment if you want to retain optimum settings especially for track use and even tire wear on the street (these settings may be different). Camber settings change with ride height.

If alignment settings don't matter to you and the coilover ride height is selected for boulevard looks only, then forget the alignment.

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Originally Posted by Wingless Wonder
Bottom line is, your car only needs re-alignment if you want to retain optimum settings especially for track use and even tire wear on the street (these settings may be different). Camber settings change with ride height.

If alignment settings don't matter to you and the coilover ride height is selected for boulevard looks only, then forget the alignment.
Alright, thanks for the tips. I'm a straight noob, so it didn't really clarify too much on me. So I'm gonna see if I can get this straight. Each time you adjust your ride height, it has the dendency to change your camber settings. So, if I were hitting track, it would be important to keep conscious about my alignment. But, if it were just for street use, Then each time I played with my ride height settings its not too important to keep in my mind the alignment? Or did you mean that if I left the setting the way it was for street, then just do the alignment once, and it will be just fine.

I guess what I'm really asking is, if I played with my ride height alot, does that mean I have to keep getting my alignment done so that my tires don't wear out in 5,000 miles of street use?

Thanks for helping a noob in the tuner world.
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Each time you adjust your ride height, it has the dendency to change your camber settings.
Yes.

But, if it were just for street use, Then each time I played with my ride height settings its not too important to keep in my mind the alignment?
But again, how often do you think you'll be doing this. Not a lot, i imagine. Most coilovers have an optimum range of adjustment and these ranges aren't too terribly wide.

if I played with my ride height alot, does that mean I have to keep getting my alignment done so that my tires don't wear out in 5,000 miles of street use?
Yes.

To truly understand the answer to your question, you have to understand how to subaru suspension works. it does have dynamic camber in that the lower you go, the more the wheels will camber in. At full extension, the wheels tend* to have positive camber. Go find a copy of "How to make your car Handle." It'll help.

A well built coilover will handle track day use AND street driving at or around the same ride height level. Riding around half an inch lower then normal for one day doesn't make a huge world of difference in camber settings.

with the way you will be treating the car (set-it-and-forget-it), you are driving it on the street mostly; get the alingment done once, then simply get it checked-up one or twice a year. Easy.

DO NOT simply "forget the alignment." It is an important part of the way your car behaves, much less the cost of tires as you burn through them.
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Thanks for everyone that helped me out. This thread just answered a lot of questions I had about coilovers.
Old Mar 17, 2005 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by impreza_wrx09
Well, i have Tien or Tein springs on my 03 wrx and it rides very nice but i heard that it's only good for about 30,xxx miles on stock struts, correct me if i'm wrong. But i've had it on for more than 30,xxx miles and it still rides ok but i am upgrading to Jic FLTA1 Or FLTA2, still deciding. What you guys think?
FLTA2's

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