I haven't made up my mind, I have no idea what a "take off" is though...do you mean the STi struts?

$400 includes an installation and alignment (I REALLY need an alignment).

NOTE: My car bounces at the track, I hate this, every WRX wagon I've ever seen at the track bounces (I actually didn't notice the bouncing until I saw somone else bouncing and realized I was doing the same thing). Bouncing is not good. Lowering the center of gravity is good. Stiffer suspension means less body roll and a flatter turn, also good. - the Prodrive springs seem to do all three of these things, as far as I can see.

 

take offs are just sti struts with sti springs.
bouncing is bad...but it should be caused by your tires as well.
are u running stock 16s?
also.....bouncing is bad
but it is usually caused when the driver is demanding too much from the car.
if u set up ur line better...u will be a better driver...and u will lap faster

400 including alingment is not bad.
but...
if u track ur car...u shoudl be mechanically sound enough to do the install yourself.
alingment shoudl cost another 80 bucks.

 

I am running Rota Attacks with Pole Position S0-3's at 17" - will have to decrease from 225 to 215 though.

I tried to install my own springs, couldn't get the *&^^%%$$ bolt off the rear strut...just couldn't get it off, and my time is worth much more than an hour of labor for them (4 hours for me )

 

well.u got good tires.
so ur just putting too much download on each corner...this is caused by entry speed and line for sure.
sti take offs is what i think u should do.

contact gruppe-s in fremont...
they might have a few sets still around, if not...they will probably get some in soon.

one more time to convince you. the difference that springs make is something felt, it doesn't really increase your time - mabye a lil..but its not worth it. they wear down ur struts faster and decrease ur ride quality.

sti take offs are designed by kyb for subaru. if they could have made a better performing strut than this...they would have. so this means the take 0ffs are basically the best strut for wrx...because sooo much more money into research was put into them compared to aftermarket springs or coilovers.


hmm...the bolt holding the strut to the hub assembly needs some muscle to get loose. if u have a breaker bar...it should do it.
comeon....installing ur own parts is part of the fun of owning and racing cars

 

one can't have the best of both worlds.
comfort and performance.
the sti take offs are the best compormise.
plus..which do u honestly believe handles better?
prodrive springs?
or sti struts and springs?
the answe ris the take offs!
who cares if u lose a day or 2 in doing the swap....that is part of the car lovers life.

the take offs are plug and play. they dont require modifications...unless u get a set for the sedan and u have a wagon and vise versa.

take offs take half the time it takes to install springs because springs u have to take off the top hate, but with the sti take offs...u just take off the old ones an dput on the new ones.

alingment is not a problem. u can drive with a car out of alingemtn for a week and not notice and bad tire wear. (as long as your not pushing the car).

plus...there are some peopel that run race alignment all year round. so they wear out their tires way faster... alingment is not really a problem.

one more time...can't have best of both worlds! if u want a race car...get a race car. if u want a commuter...get a commuter.
wrx can't be both without sacraficing ride quality.

 

That's only true if the new suspension comes with both the mounts and the spring cups. If you buy it used, I can all but guarantee that it won't. This means disassembling your struts and putting the new ones together. The good part is, it only takes 4 or 5 hours if you have an extra set of hands or two. For the record, I'm running the Prodrive/Bilstein World Rally setup on my GM6 RS. It handles beautifuly,but the ride is about as firm as it can get before it gets really aggravating. There are better handling setups, but none of them would be much good on the street. That's why I'd keep looking for a matched set, or go all out and get some Tein street-oriented coilovers. They have some that are decent handling but are built for use on real roads.

 

I am not looking for the end all be all of both worlds - I am just trying to give up a little comfort for some performance. I don't want DMS-50's, a friend has them, his car is a pure headache on the freeway, very uncomfortable, but he kicks *** in auto-X.

I am looking for something softer...lower center of gravity but firmer to reduce body roll.

I have a wagon, can these strut/spring combos be put on a wagon? Guppe-S says they only make one set not a wagon and sedan set.

I am currently way out of alignment so I am not worried about tire wear - I am replacing the tires with 215 45 R17 because if I lower my wagon the 225's will rub.

Do these "take offs" lower the car? the Sti Springs do not.

I will not go with a "hard" ride, but the Take offs may work - I've never heard of the name before though.

 

Then they are not for me, have you tried the Tein Wagons? They seem to be a fair comprimise.

Thanks