Prodrive Brake Kit
Prodrive Brake Kit
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I have seen both kits but I have personally tried the StopTech kit. Both kits are really nice. There is probably no really big differences between the two with the exception that the StopTech kit comes with front Stainless Steel brake lines. I would go with the StopTech kit because it will be easier to get tech support and the rotors are cheaper to replace. I am told that replacement parts for the Prodrive kit are really expensive.
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The Prodrive kit also comes with one-piece rotors, while the Stoptech kit comes with two-piece rotors, so Stoptech's BBK is lighter and most likely dissipates heat more effectively. I would also check to see what replacement costs would be for the Prodrive kit-I have no idea, though I notice that our UK brethen replace the rotors with non-Alcon rotors.
Stoptech support is stupendous. I bug them all the time, and they never rush me off the phone or give me vague advice. In fact they refused to sell me Ultimates because they know that I'm too lazy to change the pads when I go to the track. How many vendors do you know that look out for your welfare and the expense of a sale?
Stoptech support is stupendous. I bug them all the time, and they never rush me off the phone or give me vague advice. In fact they refused to sell me Ultimates because they know that I'm too lazy to change the pads when I go to the track. How many vendors do you know that look out for your welfare and the expense of a sale?
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I know that replacement rotors for the Prodrive kit are definitely not cheap. The StopTech calipers are pretty light for their size but their rotors are pretty heavy compared to stock rotors. But then again the roto is bigger. The StopTech rotors are also machined and can come either x-drilled or slotted.
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Prodrive kit vs Stoptech....
Both kits are great and obviously function well on track and on the street. If I had to choose between the two, it would Prodrive , because they are made by Alcon,who is owned by the same guy who started and is repsonsible for AP racing calipers.
Yep,.....
The Prodrive piston quality and seals is superior, the clamping force(something I NEVER hear anyone on hear ever talk about) is much better with the Prodrive. How relative is all this,..well that depends again on its intended usage. I know one of the Speedvision teams at Road Atlanta when I was there testing had some Stoptech brakes that saw 3 sets of front calipers lock up and fail in 1 day, they went back to a regular M3 caliper and actually saw the lap time drop 3 tenths,..does that mean they are junk,..nope-nope-nope. I have heard that under extreme usage they fail. I know some teams were offered free Stoptech brakes if they just run em' and give feedback, but they dont last through practixe, NOW IN ALL FAIRNESS,..this was at Elkhart Lake where the touring car class in Speed World Challenge brake from like 140 mph and the laps are 4 miles long.
One the other end of the spectrum, closer to home I know a guy very fast I might, add with a black WRX wagon who is a regular at Summit Point and he brakes hard and throws as much abuse at his Stoptechs as anyone I see in Driver-ed events and Seat-time type events and he hasnt had any problems to my knowledge,......Mavic could verify this part.
The third example is key,.....the very popular "Brembo" Gran Turismo kits are not the same quality caliper as the "Big Reds" that comes on some Porsche's.
The best value is $ 259.00 each for Big reds,..and these have 52mm and 56mm piston diameter and are rebuildable,...made by Brembo and have been used on alot of cars at Daytona 24hrs in the mid nineties,.........
(mine lasted 4 years braking from 150mph in turn one @ Summit Point) Colemans rotors in Menominee,Michigan 906-863-8945, makes custom rotors, they supply alot of Nascar and Arca teams.
So you're saying " I dont want any Nascar rotors on my car,.."
Why not, those cars weigh 3600 lbs and brake hard twice a lap,.the rotors last me a full season. They have aluminum hats and are floating rotors and you can order whatever size you want. ..Total kit, calipers, rotors, hats and PFC pads,( and brackets, $ 900.00 . ALOT of RX-7 guys go this route and never look back. You can waiste money on pre-fab kits and never learn brakes or you can brake with the best on em'
All in all, again,.either Stoptech or Prodrive are great, as far as the comment about the customer service from Stoptech being real good,..thats great, but somethings you dont need customer service for ,...should I say,...somethings are proven.
944 turbo guy
P.s the Big Reds are at any Porsche dealer and are radius mount calipers, they dont fail.Period. if anyone wants help with this, I would gladly do all the ground work for you.
Yep,.....
The Prodrive piston quality and seals is superior, the clamping force(something I NEVER hear anyone on hear ever talk about) is much better with the Prodrive. How relative is all this,..well that depends again on its intended usage. I know one of the Speedvision teams at Road Atlanta when I was there testing had some Stoptech brakes that saw 3 sets of front calipers lock up and fail in 1 day, they went back to a regular M3 caliper and actually saw the lap time drop 3 tenths,..does that mean they are junk,..nope-nope-nope. I have heard that under extreme usage they fail. I know some teams were offered free Stoptech brakes if they just run em' and give feedback, but they dont last through practixe, NOW IN ALL FAIRNESS,..this was at Elkhart Lake where the touring car class in Speed World Challenge brake from like 140 mph and the laps are 4 miles long.
One the other end of the spectrum, closer to home I know a guy very fast I might, add with a black WRX wagon who is a regular at Summit Point and he brakes hard and throws as much abuse at his Stoptechs as anyone I see in Driver-ed events and Seat-time type events and he hasnt had any problems to my knowledge,......Mavic could verify this part.
The third example is key,.....the very popular "Brembo" Gran Turismo kits are not the same quality caliper as the "Big Reds" that comes on some Porsche's.
The best value is $ 259.00 each for Big reds,..and these have 52mm and 56mm piston diameter and are rebuildable,...made by Brembo and have been used on alot of cars at Daytona 24hrs in the mid nineties,.........
(mine lasted 4 years braking from 150mph in turn one @ Summit Point) Colemans rotors in Menominee,Michigan 906-863-8945, makes custom rotors, they supply alot of Nascar and Arca teams.
So you're saying " I dont want any Nascar rotors on my car,.."
Why not, those cars weigh 3600 lbs and brake hard twice a lap,.the rotors last me a full season. They have aluminum hats and are floating rotors and you can order whatever size you want. ..Total kit, calipers, rotors, hats and PFC pads,( and brackets, $ 900.00 . ALOT of RX-7 guys go this route and never look back. You can waiste money on pre-fab kits and never learn brakes or you can brake with the best on em'
All in all, again,.either Stoptech or Prodrive are great, as far as the comment about the customer service from Stoptech being real good,..thats great, but somethings you dont need customer service for ,...should I say,...somethings are proven.
944 turbo guy
P.s the Big Reds are at any Porsche dealer and are radius mount calipers, they dont fail.Period. if anyone wants help with this, I would gladly do all the ground work for you.
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The Prodrive piston quality and seals is superior, the clamping force(something I NEVER hear anyone on hear talk about) is much better with the Prodrive
The StopTech Pistons and seals are first rate. The seals are made in Denmark and are top quality. I have never heard of any complaint of our piston or seal quality. If you run 11 hard pro type races during the year you should rebuild your calipers (i.e. replace pistons and seals), this what pro teams do.
What you are calling clamping force is a function of piston area and the strength and stiffness of the caliper. I have great respect for Alcon, but our ST40 caliper is twice as stiff as the Alcon B caliper. I am talking about measuring deflection under varing system pressure from 500 psi to 2000 psi using the same piston sizes. Our patented bridge helps make our caliper the stiffest cast caliper by design on the market.
We can make our calipers with piston sizes that would have more clamping force at a given system pressure than any other manufacturer. For a production car the issue is not who can make the biggest pistons but what system is balanced for the platform. Most Subaru owners are running stock master cylinders and the best stopping brake upgrade is designed to emulate the the stock front to rear brake torque ratios which also gives the car the best brake balance.
The September 2002 Car and Driver reported a brake test where Car and Driver did a objective back to back comparison of StopTech and Prodrive brake kits for the WRX. The StopTech kit kicked the stuffing out the Prodrive kit beating it by 11 feet in 70-0 and 90-0 tests. The was an independent test by a savy magazine tester.
Your comments about World Challenge teams are completely bogus and meant to serve something other than the facts i.e. push a competitive product.
Brembo Makes the Porsche caliper and we have tested both of them There is no major difference except in pad retention schemes. I have never seen a floating Coleman rotor, but if they are making them now I would like to see a photo and description of the drive pin scheme.
A club magazine tested our E36 M3 kit versus two competitors. We so trounced the other products but the magazine did not publish the results because of complaints by the vendors a consistent advertiser. We trounced these competitors on the track by beating the Porsche based system by over 3 seconds per lap. Why did we beat that particular kit on the track, did they just have a bad day? I am sure that StopTech can design a Porsche caliper based kit that does well, but I am equally confident that StopTech beat the best Porsche based kit we can design with a kit using our caliper.
I am unaware of any World Challenge BMW team that tested our products at Road America and have no clue about the Road Atlanta claims. Please give me specifics. The first World challenge BMW was only tested a couple of weeks ago and the team owner is thrilled with our product.
We have 2002 race wins from the following pro teams:
Gary Sheehan WRX USTCC
David Farmer C5 Corvette World Challenge GT
Planet Earth Motorsports C5 Corvette Grand Am Cup
Istook S4 Grand Am Cup
Vageli Mustang GT win Sears American Iron series
Non pro but significant 2002 winners.
Open Track Challenge Touring winner Paul Mumford Viper
numberous Viper days victorys
The only World Challenge Touring car that ran our products last year was the Redline motorsports Honda and then only the last race. Redline is very happy and the team had their best finish at VIR running our brakes.
We are the dominant supplier of brake kits to the Viper Days Competitors. This is not a pro series but the cars weigh up to 3600lbs and make over 450 hp. Many of the owners run 8 or more races per year in wheel to wheel competition.
For 2003 we have sold our front brake systems to a number teams. We consider full sponsorship for teams that have won races as do all other manufacturers.
To imply we are begging Speed World Challenge teams to run our products is nonsense. We have turned down demands for free products from some teams. We have selected a small number of teams to support and expect to be on the podium more than once this year.
The best value is $ 259.00 each for Big reds,..and these have 52mm and 56mm piston diameter and are rebuildable,...made by Brembo... 944 Turbo guy
Lastly your comments about the big Red caliper are incorrect. The piston sizes in the Big red are 36 and 44mm your numbers are the outer diameter of the dust boots not the piston sizes.
If our brakes can stop Vipers and Corvettes in pro races we can also do a great job for lighter more nimble cars like the WRX. This is why Irish Mikes is running StopTech on his Two Subaru entries in World Challenge Touring.
We can equal and exceed the performance of any of our competitors in Production based race cars.
Bob Lee
General Manager
StopTech LLC
The StopTech Pistons and seals are first rate. The seals are made in Denmark and are top quality. I have never heard of any complaint of our piston or seal quality. If you run 11 hard pro type races during the year you should rebuild your calipers (i.e. replace pistons and seals), this what pro teams do.
What you are calling clamping force is a function of piston area and the strength and stiffness of the caliper. I have great respect for Alcon, but our ST40 caliper is twice as stiff as the Alcon B caliper. I am talking about measuring deflection under varing system pressure from 500 psi to 2000 psi using the same piston sizes. Our patented bridge helps make our caliper the stiffest cast caliper by design on the market.
We can make our calipers with piston sizes that would have more clamping force at a given system pressure than any other manufacturer. For a production car the issue is not who can make the biggest pistons but what system is balanced for the platform. Most Subaru owners are running stock master cylinders and the best stopping brake upgrade is designed to emulate the the stock front to rear brake torque ratios which also gives the car the best brake balance.
The September 2002 Car and Driver reported a brake test where Car and Driver did a objective back to back comparison of StopTech and Prodrive brake kits for the WRX. The StopTech kit kicked the stuffing out the Prodrive kit beating it by 11 feet in 70-0 and 90-0 tests. The was an independent test by a savy magazine tester.
Your comments about World Challenge teams are completely bogus and meant to serve something other than the facts i.e. push a competitive product.
Brembo Makes the Porsche caliper and we have tested both of them There is no major difference except in pad retention schemes. I have never seen a floating Coleman rotor, but if they are making them now I would like to see a photo and description of the drive pin scheme.
A club magazine tested our E36 M3 kit versus two competitors. We so trounced the other products but the magazine did not publish the results because of complaints by the vendors a consistent advertiser. We trounced these competitors on the track by beating the Porsche based system by over 3 seconds per lap. Why did we beat that particular kit on the track, did they just have a bad day? I am sure that StopTech can design a Porsche caliper based kit that does well, but I am equally confident that StopTech beat the best Porsche based kit we can design with a kit using our caliper.
I am unaware of any World Challenge BMW team that tested our products at Road America and have no clue about the Road Atlanta claims. Please give me specifics. The first World challenge BMW was only tested a couple of weeks ago and the team owner is thrilled with our product.
We have 2002 race wins from the following pro teams:
Gary Sheehan WRX USTCC
David Farmer C5 Corvette World Challenge GT
Planet Earth Motorsports C5 Corvette Grand Am Cup
Istook S4 Grand Am Cup
Vageli Mustang GT win Sears American Iron series
Non pro but significant 2002 winners.
Open Track Challenge Touring winner Paul Mumford Viper
numberous Viper days victorys
The only World Challenge Touring car that ran our products last year was the Redline motorsports Honda and then only the last race. Redline is very happy and the team had their best finish at VIR running our brakes.
We are the dominant supplier of brake kits to the Viper Days Competitors. This is not a pro series but the cars weigh up to 3600lbs and make over 450 hp. Many of the owners run 8 or more races per year in wheel to wheel competition.
For 2003 we have sold our front brake systems to a number teams. We consider full sponsorship for teams that have won races as do all other manufacturers.
To imply we are begging Speed World Challenge teams to run our products is nonsense. We have turned down demands for free products from some teams. We have selected a small number of teams to support and expect to be on the podium more than once this year.
The best value is $ 259.00 each for Big reds,..and these have 52mm and 56mm piston diameter and are rebuildable,...made by Brembo... 944 Turbo guy
Lastly your comments about the big Red caliper are incorrect. The piston sizes in the Big red are 36 and 44mm your numbers are the outer diameter of the dust boots not the piston sizes.
If our brakes can stop Vipers and Corvettes in pro races we can also do a great job for lighter more nimble cars like the WRX. This is why Irish Mikes is running StopTech on his Two Subaru entries in World Challenge Touring.
We can equal and exceed the performance of any of our competitors in Production based race cars.
Bob Lee
General Manager
StopTech LLC
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got Bobby a little worked up..?
Sorry if I offended your product Mr Lee, I am just going on what I know and have witnessed, not to imply that you know off Everyone using your product, and that's not to say that eveyone using your product would let you know about it either !! As this be the case,..IMO , lord knows I better put that in there,..I would 'nt want anymore feathers on the ground.......
As I stated in my reply, StopTech has a great product, my opinion leans towards Brembo and AP brakes, and certainly now that I pissed Bobby off !
I dont think anyone would challenge you on knowing brakes Bob,.and I would hope that since you're in the business of making brakes for the world that you have had some success,..but dont think there arent some PRO TEAMS out there who have had problems, that maybe are outside of the scope of your brake crystal ball either.
As for Redline Motorsports, for you to imply that Tom Stewart's success at VIR was as a result of your brakes,..........well I guess your entitled to feel that way,.yes his performance was great, but Tom knows VIR better than a lot of guys in TC...
Road ATlanta test took place last (2002) year and I will get the specific date, and E-mail you.
Coleman floating rotor part # d30-137-200 ( DV30)
1.25 thick 13.5 o.d 12 slot .
I noticed you didnt respond to having any brake problems at Elkhart Lark last year,....maybe I will put it in question form as not to **** anyone off,...
I guess we could go on and on,..that would be a waste of time,..I apologize if I said something that ruffled your feathers, but hey this is a forum right?
Hey maybe I shold have said this,....I live in a cloud and I like my brakes on my car, and that's all I know,..forget what I have witnessed or what really goes on out there.
Oh and wow,..I guess you were reading thru the forum and got offended or a loyal customer said some guy on I-club is bashing STOPTECH?...again I apologize if my original comments got you all worked up.
944 turbo guy
P.S Bob,,whats the minimum buy in to become a Stoptech distrubutor?
As I stated in my reply, StopTech has a great product, my opinion leans towards Brembo and AP brakes, and certainly now that I pissed Bobby off !
I dont think anyone would challenge you on knowing brakes Bob,.and I would hope that since you're in the business of making brakes for the world that you have had some success,..but dont think there arent some PRO TEAMS out there who have had problems, that maybe are outside of the scope of your brake crystal ball either.
As for Redline Motorsports, for you to imply that Tom Stewart's success at VIR was as a result of your brakes,..........well I guess your entitled to feel that way,.yes his performance was great, but Tom knows VIR better than a lot of guys in TC...
Road ATlanta test took place last (2002) year and I will get the specific date, and E-mail you.
Coleman floating rotor part # d30-137-200 ( DV30)
1.25 thick 13.5 o.d 12 slot .
I noticed you didnt respond to having any brake problems at Elkhart Lark last year,....maybe I will put it in question form as not to **** anyone off,...
I guess we could go on and on,..that would be a waste of time,..I apologize if I said something that ruffled your feathers, but hey this is a forum right?
Hey maybe I shold have said this,....I live in a cloud and I like my brakes on my car, and that's all I know,..forget what I have witnessed or what really goes on out there.
Oh and wow,..I guess you were reading thru the forum and got offended or a loyal customer said some guy on I-club is bashing STOPTECH?...again I apologize if my original comments got you all worked up.
944 turbo guy
P.S Bob,,whats the minimum buy in to become a Stoptech distrubutor?
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We have run the Stoptech big brake kit on our USTCC racecar for a full season. These brakes have performed flawlessly and allow me to brake right alongside the USTCC BMW, which is 700 POUNDS LIGHTER THAN OUR CAR.
We have not had a single failure. The only issues we had were the proper pad selection at the beginning of the seaons, which you would have to do for any new set-up. We found the proper temperature pad on the second try. Our brakes generate an enormous amount of heat (surprising even the Stoptech guys). The Stoptech's take them in stride and I have as much braking performance in the last corner of the last lap as I do in the first practice session of the weekend. I have complete confidence in these brakes based on my experience with them and I KNOW, based on how these brakes have performed in the past that they would have no problem at Elkart Lake braking my 3,300lb car from 135mph lap after lap.
You surprise me with your comments because in the past you have shown that you understand braking theory. You should know that in a well balanced braking system, adding clamping force will reduce braking performance because you change the brake bias and cause premature lockup.
In what way are the pistons and seals of the Prodrive kit superior? I'm curious to know exactly how their better.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com
We have not had a single failure. The only issues we had were the proper pad selection at the beginning of the seaons, which you would have to do for any new set-up. We found the proper temperature pad on the second try. Our brakes generate an enormous amount of heat (surprising even the Stoptech guys). The Stoptech's take them in stride and I have as much braking performance in the last corner of the last lap as I do in the first practice session of the weekend. I have complete confidence in these brakes based on my experience with them and I KNOW, based on how these brakes have performed in the past that they would have no problem at Elkart Lake braking my 3,300lb car from 135mph lap after lap.
You surprise me with your comments because in the past you have shown that you understand braking theory. You should know that in a well balanced braking system, adding clamping force will reduce braking performance because you change the brake bias and cause premature lockup.
In what way are the pistons and seals of the Prodrive kit superior? I'm curious to know exactly how their better.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com
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GARY...
Gary I thought I understood brakes before Bob got a' whole of me !! Prodrive is just MY preference, for no other reason than I drove a student's car at Summit Point at a SEATtime event and were very impressed with them,..that's it,..
The car I drove had ABS disabled and I could go deeper and deeper and it just took it, the car stopped. I was obviously impressed. Granted if you weed through all the sarcasm, I did apologize to Bob Lee,..but the second I start naming names on who has had problems, then its alot of crap. So I only named one person who has had great results.
The pair of calipers from Prodrive that I saw off a car once were in very good shape, and I had just rebuilt my Brembo's and know that , that person had been at the track with me 90% of the time I was there,..so it left me with a strong impression about the quality of the product.Granted they dont brake from 150 mph at 200 ft either,..so it's all relative.
My initial reply should have been kept to a minimum and explained in a way as to suggest , " if you want an inexpensive way of building a kit piece by piece that will work well for a long time,....then try this." Instead I did like I am guilty of doing on here, which is bringing racing into it, and I obviously offended ole' Bob Lee. His response just sounded like,.. hey Stoptech is changing there name to WORLDBRAKES, 'cause there are no other,.." there will always be someone with a second opinion and someone who has witnessed some things that seem impossible, especially the way Bob made it seem like, they (STOPTECH) have no problems.
I am a driver first, then an instructor, beyond that I know somethings based on my experience. I have built some great cars, and helped customer's ( wealthy Benz customers who race all other makes) build racecars that have won races,.on all levels.
And this is not directed at you G.S., but I am opinionated about certain products and will continue to use those,........NOW,...would I let my PRODRIVE impression sway my choice in brakes for a racecar,..( this is the part I dont think BOBBY understood, he just got torqued up so quick) If I were , and really should I say, when I build another customer car, I will use whatever manurfactors products are winning and last the longest, regardless of price,..so if Mr LEE lives up to his claim,..I might need a pair of the WORLDBRAKES,..I mean STOPTECHS, it'sjust now,...he problably would nt sell them to me !!!
Hope I answered your question. As always, it's good to hear from you, just not under these circumstances.
944 turbo guy
The car I drove had ABS disabled and I could go deeper and deeper and it just took it, the car stopped. I was obviously impressed. Granted if you weed through all the sarcasm, I did apologize to Bob Lee,..but the second I start naming names on who has had problems, then its alot of crap. So I only named one person who has had great results.
The pair of calipers from Prodrive that I saw off a car once were in very good shape, and I had just rebuilt my Brembo's and know that , that person had been at the track with me 90% of the time I was there,..so it left me with a strong impression about the quality of the product.Granted they dont brake from 150 mph at 200 ft either,..so it's all relative.
My initial reply should have been kept to a minimum and explained in a way as to suggest , " if you want an inexpensive way of building a kit piece by piece that will work well for a long time,....then try this." Instead I did like I am guilty of doing on here, which is bringing racing into it, and I obviously offended ole' Bob Lee. His response just sounded like,.. hey Stoptech is changing there name to WORLDBRAKES, 'cause there are no other,.." there will always be someone with a second opinion and someone who has witnessed some things that seem impossible, especially the way Bob made it seem like, they (STOPTECH) have no problems.
I am a driver first, then an instructor, beyond that I know somethings based on my experience. I have built some great cars, and helped customer's ( wealthy Benz customers who race all other makes) build racecars that have won races,.on all levels.
And this is not directed at you G.S., but I am opinionated about certain products and will continue to use those,........NOW,...would I let my PRODRIVE impression sway my choice in brakes for a racecar,..( this is the part I dont think BOBBY understood, he just got torqued up so quick) If I were , and really should I say, when I build another customer car, I will use whatever manurfactors products are winning and last the longest, regardless of price,..so if Mr LEE lives up to his claim,..I might need a pair of the WORLDBRAKES,..I mean STOPTECHS, it'sjust now,...he problably would nt sell them to me !!!
Hope I answered your question. As always, it's good to hear from you, just not under these circumstances.
944 turbo guy
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Sorry if I offended your product Mr Lee, I am just going on what I know and have witnessed, not to imply that you know off Everyone using your product, and that's not to say that eveyone using your product would let you know about it either !! As this be the case,..IMO , lord knows I better put that in there,..I would 'nt want anymore feathers on the ground.......
Actually its hair on the ground and I can't afford to lose anymore.
I regret that I came on too strong and do not mean to show any disrespect. I have trouble letting stand comments that our products are not suitable for production based racing.
This is an important distinction as we delivery the same products for the pro racing people that we ship to street customers. The exception is pads. In World challenge lots of teams are going with dual master cylinders and need different piston sizes than we supply to a production car with the stock master.
As I stated in my reply, StopTech has a great product, my opinion leans towards Brembo and AP brakes, and certainly now that I pissed Bobby off !
I absolutely respect brand loyality and Brembo, AP and Alcon have definitely earned the loyality they enjoy. All companies have had problems at the track. Many times a reported track problem is far different than it first appears. I have seen competitors product incorrectly blamed for problems on Speed Channel because the driver left his foot on the pedal during an intense pit stop.
If a customer upgrades to the Prodrive, Brembo, Ap or StopTech front kit they will get a huge improvement in heat capacity over the stock system. All of these kits will be driver inspiring on the track versus a stock system.
As for Redline Motorsports, for you to imply that Tom Stewart's success at VIR was as a result of your brakes,..........well I guess your entitled to feel that way,.yes his performance was great, but Tom knows VIR better than a lot of guys in TC...
Tom told me the brakes worked great. When I asked what was his best finish in Touring he said that weekend at VIR and the brakes were part of the reason. I am only repeating his words.
As for Elkhart Lake I am again clueless as to what team did this test. We did not have touring car kit until we did the kit for Redline and this was not ready for Elkhart. Send me a private email if you want (rlee@stoptech.com). I would really like to get more data on any customer that had a problem.
If you are the type of person that only buys name brands that is fine, but I would like remind you that many of the innovations come from the smaller companies. Prior to the Carterphone decision (early seventies)you could only buy modems from the phone company and the top speed was 2400bps after carterphone the products dramatically improved due to competition.
We have been pushing balance brake systems as a technical advantage. You will see this issue become more and more important. Brembo could easily to respond to this technical challenge and kill us. I believe that the economics don't make sense at the moment.
Bob Lee
StopTech LLC
Actually its hair on the ground and I can't afford to lose anymore.
I regret that I came on too strong and do not mean to show any disrespect. I have trouble letting stand comments that our products are not suitable for production based racing.
This is an important distinction as we delivery the same products for the pro racing people that we ship to street customers. The exception is pads. In World challenge lots of teams are going with dual master cylinders and need different piston sizes than we supply to a production car with the stock master.
As I stated in my reply, StopTech has a great product, my opinion leans towards Brembo and AP brakes, and certainly now that I pissed Bobby off !
I absolutely respect brand loyality and Brembo, AP and Alcon have definitely earned the loyality they enjoy. All companies have had problems at the track. Many times a reported track problem is far different than it first appears. I have seen competitors product incorrectly blamed for problems on Speed Channel because the driver left his foot on the pedal during an intense pit stop.
If a customer upgrades to the Prodrive, Brembo, Ap or StopTech front kit they will get a huge improvement in heat capacity over the stock system. All of these kits will be driver inspiring on the track versus a stock system.
As for Redline Motorsports, for you to imply that Tom Stewart's success at VIR was as a result of your brakes,..........well I guess your entitled to feel that way,.yes his performance was great, but Tom knows VIR better than a lot of guys in TC...
Tom told me the brakes worked great. When I asked what was his best finish in Touring he said that weekend at VIR and the brakes were part of the reason. I am only repeating his words.
As for Elkhart Lake I am again clueless as to what team did this test. We did not have touring car kit until we did the kit for Redline and this was not ready for Elkhart. Send me a private email if you want (rlee@stoptech.com). I would really like to get more data on any customer that had a problem.
If you are the type of person that only buys name brands that is fine, but I would like remind you that many of the innovations come from the smaller companies. Prior to the Carterphone decision (early seventies)you could only buy modems from the phone company and the top speed was 2400bps after carterphone the products dramatically improved due to competition.
We have been pushing balance brake systems as a technical advantage. You will see this issue become more and more important. Brembo could easily to respond to this technical challenge and kill us. I believe that the economics don't make sense at the moment.
Bob Lee
StopTech LLC
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Porsche fanatics welcome
when I build another customer car, I will use whatever manurfactors products are winning and last the longest, regardless of price,..so if Mr LEE lives up to his claim,..I might need a pair of the WORLDBRAKES,..I mean STOPTECHS, it'sjust now,...he problably would nt sell them to me !!!
Turbo guy we will sell to you at any time. BTW We have just finished a 4 wheel 993 kit 355 front and 332 rear and have just done an E55 AMG 4 wheel kit as well. We sell Porsche pads and have 911 and 944 kits in the works. We sell big red replacement pistons, seals and dust boots.
Our 911 kit will not require a new master as does the big red upgrade.
If you are racer and car nut StopTech will love you. Please try to get by my enthusiasm for the product. I love racing and was on the wall at LeMans in 98 when Porsche last won. I have held SCCA national and regional licenses and am now much faster in memory that I ever was in reality.
We have a small surplus of Porsche rotors and pads email me for the list. If you send a request to sales it will get to me.
Bob Lee
StopTech LLC
Turbo guy we will sell to you at any time. BTW We have just finished a 4 wheel 993 kit 355 front and 332 rear and have just done an E55 AMG 4 wheel kit as well. We sell Porsche pads and have 911 and 944 kits in the works. We sell big red replacement pistons, seals and dust boots.
Our 911 kit will not require a new master as does the big red upgrade.
If you are racer and car nut StopTech will love you. Please try to get by my enthusiasm for the product. I love racing and was on the wall at LeMans in 98 when Porsche last won. I have held SCCA national and regional licenses and am now much faster in memory that I ever was in reality.
We have a small surplus of Porsche rotors and pads email me for the list. If you send a request to sales it will get to me.
Bob Lee
StopTech LLC
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Yes. I am MORE than happy with the performance of my Stoptech Brakes. I run the Stoptech Club Race pads at the track and have never experienced any fade or problems. The brakes are consistent from the first lap of the first session, to the last lap of the last session. Given, I know this isn't at the race level, but I do know that I am A LOT harder on the brakes than a lot of people because I am so confident of their performance. I have a lot of in-car footage of me passing cars that are faster on paper, but I catch them and get waved by (a nice thing about track days vs racing 
), and I'd say it's 90% under braking. I make 2-3 car lengths in some of the hard brake zones at Summit. I also run the bigger Legacy rear rotors, stainless lines all around, ATE Super Blue or Type 200, and Axxis Ultimates in the rear. All those things help a little too, but I know that 80% of the braking in the WRX is up front, and that's why am so glad I have the Stoptech kit to take care of it. 
), and I'd say it's 90% under braking. I make 2-3 car lengths in some of the hard brake zones at Summit. I also run the bigger Legacy rear rotors, stainless lines all around, ATE Super Blue or Type 200, and Axxis Ultimates in the rear. All those things help a little too, but I know that 80% of the braking in the WRX is up front, and that's why am so glad I have the Stoptech kit to take care of it.
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where my heart is,.....
Let me be clear, and not misunderstood. I am not " the type of person" who,......"only buys name brand,.."
I am however, the type of person who buys the brand that is winning in either the top level of motorsports or the closest comparable level to where I am. What I do see when I walk through a ALMS "hot pit" or Grand -Am pit, is the brands I mentioned. So I look forward to a day in the very near future that I see an affordable brake manurfacture supplying the top teams with a winning combination, if that happens to be STOPTECH, then that's when I'll make the switch. And I only hope the affordable part stays the same.
I certainly dont anyone to think I'm a POLO shirt, ROLEX watch, PORSCHE driving kinda guy. If that combination makes the determining difference when making deals on the golf course,...
( not that I would deal with the kind of person that, that would make or break a deal) then that'll be the combo for making deals.
Brakes are a little different, they do this small part in the whole equation called stopping mass. And since I was at the track the day one of my fellow instructors lost his life in turn one,( not from brake caliper failure) from a brake issue, I take brakes very seriously. So I'll stick with what I know works for 97% of the teams in the sports car racing in the US.
Who knows what the future holds,..right?
944tg
I am however, the type of person who buys the brand that is winning in either the top level of motorsports or the closest comparable level to where I am. What I do see when I walk through a ALMS "hot pit" or Grand -Am pit, is the brands I mentioned. So I look forward to a day in the very near future that I see an affordable brake manurfacture supplying the top teams with a winning combination, if that happens to be STOPTECH, then that's when I'll make the switch. And I only hope the affordable part stays the same.
I certainly dont anyone to think I'm a POLO shirt, ROLEX watch, PORSCHE driving kinda guy. If that combination makes the determining difference when making deals on the golf course,...
( not that I would deal with the kind of person that, that would make or break a deal) then that'll be the combo for making deals.
Brakes are a little different, they do this small part in the whole equation called stopping mass. And since I was at the track the day one of my fellow instructors lost his life in turn one,( not from brake caliper failure) from a brake issue, I take brakes very seriously. So I'll stick with what I know works for 97% of the teams in the sports car racing in the US.
Who knows what the future holds,..right?
944tg