The Final Eibach Question
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The Final Eibach Question
Having Eibachs/AGXs installed this week. Did not buy camber bolts. Guy at Tirerack said they were not necessary.
What can I expect as far as alignment goes? How soon after the install should I get it done, and how close to stock specs will I be able to get?
(My mechanic, the only mechanic I trust doesn't have a 4 wheel alignment machine) I plan on bringing it to a tire shop next to my office and telling them to just get it as close as possible to stock specs...will this work?
I've searched this topic extensively and not gotten satisfactory answers...
Thanks for any help.
What can I expect as far as alignment goes? How soon after the install should I get it done, and how close to stock specs will I be able to get?
(My mechanic, the only mechanic I trust doesn't have a 4 wheel alignment machine) I plan on bringing it to a tire shop next to my office and telling them to just get it as close as possible to stock specs...will this work?
I've searched this topic extensively and not gotten satisfactory answers...
Thanks for any help.
Last edited by YelloWRX; Jan 2, 2004 at 06:13 PM.
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I don't think most Eibachs lower much. You might just leave the camber where it falls and have them double check the toe specs. A lot of folks want extra camber. If you were really slamming it the camber bolts would be used to bring the wheel back towards normal.
did you search over at www.nasioc.com ?
Someone else will know better.
did you search over at www.nasioc.com ?
Someone else will know better.
This is what my camber and toe settings are. I haven't gotten an alignment yet. My car is a 04 and lowered with Eibach and I have 18' formula mesh wheels. I am thinking about getting the camber bots for the rear just so my front and rear will be back at stock settings....Still trying to find a place to get my car aligned. This place where I got my estaimate from was gonna charge me about 190 to get my car aligned. He said that he can get the rear aligned without camberbolts my "extending the bolt hole" so he can get my rear to 0. I told him I'll call them back later. I am not too keen on that idea since he was charging 80 bucks for that, since tire rack sells the camber bolts for 25 bucks.
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Ya don't want the rear at 0....
The stock alignment settings are a joke and the rear can't be adjusted without bolts, unless you let some idiot 'elongate' the holes in the struts which he may destroy if he fubars the job.
Bolts are cheaper, ~$40, than buying new struts if you let idiots destroy them.
SOOOOO.....best bet is get the rear toe at 0 and whatever the camber is live with it(or get bolts)...and do ~1* in front camber and no toe.
I prefer a little(2mm total) toe out in the rear, but you may not.
I also run 2.5* camber front and 2* rear....handles real nice, and tire wear is good too
greddy5....you hit something with the right front...
The stock alignment settings are a joke and the rear can't be adjusted without bolts, unless you let some idiot 'elongate' the holes in the struts which he may destroy if he fubars the job.
Bolts are cheaper, ~$40, than buying new struts if you let idiots destroy them.
SOOOOO.....best bet is get the rear toe at 0 and whatever the camber is live with it(or get bolts)...and do ~1* in front camber and no toe.
I prefer a little(2mm total) toe out in the rear, but you may not.
I also run 2.5* camber front and 2* rear....handles real nice, and tire wear is good too

greddy5....you hit something with the right front...
I dont think I hit anything with the front right tire...I just order the camber bolts from Tire Rack. Now all I need to do is fine a place that has I can depend on to do my alignment.
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Originally posted by greddy5
I dont think I hit anything with the front right tire...I just order the camber bolts from Tire Rack. Now all I need to do is fine a place that has I can depend on to do my alignment.
I dont think I hit anything with the front right tire...I just order the camber bolts from Tire Rack. Now all I need to do is fine a place that has I can depend on to do my alignment.
it may have come that way, but it is out.
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scotty - camber bolts (which I agree he should get and avoid hole 'slotting') work in both directions right? I mean, if I got some slightly lower springs and got - say - 1/2* camber in the rear, bolts would be able to add another 1* wouldn't they? And is there enough adj. to add a * in the front too?
Maybe his car was transported with a tie down on a suspension/steering component. That could've bent something. If they're saying those are the final settings to achieve 0 thrust angle, there might be a warranty issue.
Maybe his car was transported with a tie down on a suspension/steering component. That could've bent something. If they're saying those are the final settings to achieve 0 thrust angle, there might be a warranty issue.
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Originally posted by meilers
Have we answered the original question, about whether someone who has just installed the Eibach kit over the stock struts needs a realignment?
Have we answered the original question, about whether someone who has just installed the Eibach kit over the stock struts needs a realignment?
that wasn't the original question...
the original question was, how close to stock (or a desireable spec that will maximixe handling while minimizing excessive tire wear) will i be able to get with eibachs/agxs and no camber bolts... I plan on bring ing the car to an alignment shop within a few days of spring installation...
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Originally posted by greddy5
Could this be a reason why my steering wheel looks a little crocked?
Could this be a reason why my steering wheel looks a little crocked?
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The front has camber bolts from the factory. And, Yes the bolts can adjust camber either way.... + or -
Yellow....there is no way to get a bad alignment with stock hardware that will kill your tires unless the toe is set wrong...you cannot get anywhere near enough negative camber to hurt your tires...infact too little or positive camber will eat tires worse than too much negative.
So...max you front negative camber and use the bolts(if you get them...I would) to make each side even camber wise...called cross camber...in the rear and toe = ZERO front and rear.
The AGX's need to be 'broken in' on a mid setting....#2 or#3....for a couple hundred miles to achieve proper service life.
******Make sure to follow the adjustment directions and MAKE SURE that all 4 struts adjusting screws work properly prior to installing the struts...if you have a bad strut that won't adjust, it is better to find out about it before you install them!!!!!!******
Make sure to push the little adjuster screw in(~1/8") when turning them...DO NOT try to turn the adjuster screw without pushing the adjuster screw in first!!!! BE GENTILE with the adjuster screws...there is no need to use any real force to turn them...they will pop back up by themselves...if they do not...just wiggle them back and forth a little until they pop back up(they are spring loaded) flush with the top of the strut shaft.
If you have any more questions on this topic, post them here and I will try to answer them.
1 Lucky Texan....you may be correct....there is possibly a bent tie rod on the right side, front or somthing else....it should be checked out because caster and toe are 'out'.
Yellow....there is no way to get a bad alignment with stock hardware that will kill your tires unless the toe is set wrong...you cannot get anywhere near enough negative camber to hurt your tires...infact too little or positive camber will eat tires worse than too much negative.
So...max you front negative camber and use the bolts(if you get them...I would) to make each side even camber wise...called cross camber...in the rear and toe = ZERO front and rear.
The AGX's need to be 'broken in' on a mid setting....#2 or#3....for a couple hundred miles to achieve proper service life.
******Make sure to follow the adjustment directions and MAKE SURE that all 4 struts adjusting screws work properly prior to installing the struts...if you have a bad strut that won't adjust, it is better to find out about it before you install them!!!!!!******
Make sure to push the little adjuster screw in(~1/8") when turning them...DO NOT try to turn the adjuster screw without pushing the adjuster screw in first!!!! BE GENTILE with the adjuster screws...there is no need to use any real force to turn them...they will pop back up by themselves...if they do not...just wiggle them back and forth a little until they pop back up(they are spring loaded) flush with the top of the strut shaft.
If you have any more questions on this topic, post them here and I will try to answer them.
1 Lucky Texan....you may be correct....there is possibly a bent tie rod on the right side, front or somthing else....it should be checked out because caster and toe are 'out'.
Last edited by Uncle Scotty; Jan 3, 2004 at 10:31 PM.
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