ummm.... yeah, it's a fun setup. I run a similar setup when not running the good suspension. I did an autocross with this setup with a 5 cone slalom. You entered the slalom by steering the car passed the first cone. By the 3rd cone, your counter steering through the slalom as the weight transfer builds momentum leading to snap oversteer as you "navigate" past each cone....

Fun, but not very fast....

BTW: your ALK kit is illegal for SM, STX, ESP and stock of course. If your not that good, have fun. But if you decide to participate in a season trophy run, I would recommend switching to camber/caster plates instead.

 

Additional negative camber up front will help. Sway bar settings have to be tested (start w/ 20mm and work up- if necessary).

Big Sky

 

poersonally i would rate your setup as darn right dangerous

way way to much sway bar for the stock suspension

you will get a snap throttle lift over steer

 

Pat,

Oversteer can be a dangerous thing when you are not ready to deal with it. Work you way up to more oversteer and become comfortable with what happens and what to do when you rear starts to break traction. It can happen very quickly (personal experience).

Tim

 

I already put the rsb on 22. I just haven't been back to my 'secret doughnut area' yet, or had a chance to do the next soloII.

Maybe today I will.

Pat

 

With my current setup I have stock struts, MRT camber/caster plates, whiteline swaybars 22F/22-24R rear is on stiffest setting.

That setup produced the results from my last post The instability problem could be traced to using the stock struts and expecting them to compare to my DMS50s that I am used to...

Yes, camber plates will help. What you really need to control the understeer, is more camber in the front.

 

Oh, yeah. I could be wrong, but indicators point to coil-overs potentially being part of Christmas. I know that if my wife (who usually gives me such a hard time about my purchases) were to have bought them, they'd probably be the Tein Wagon's. So, no dampening, but still better control than stock.

I'll get back to you in a few days.

 

I think Pat is looking mostly for a street-able setup that will do well auto-xing and open tracking on rare occasions. With that in mind, those kinds of camber numbers aren't realistic - he'd be replacing tires every couple of months.

I'm sure you already know that, BA, just clarifying...

Pat

 

Pat,

I am, but I will keep those numbers in mind. Thanks Almost_Stock.

One thing I think I should mention, I've seen Tim and Pat (Olsen) drive. I'm not in that class, yet. I would be smartest to start conservative and work my way up. Unfortunately, I have to remind myself that during daily driving (off/on ramps, entry into my neighborhood) how well I drive and how the car handles are much different than during AutoX and track days. My fear is that I start to feel that I'm a supergreat racer based on daily driving, and then end up overconfident at the track (won't happen, I guarantee. I'm too much of a puss).

It would seem that in order to really know and test your car and really know your driving ability, you'd have to drive it like you stole it a lot more often. I refuse to drive like that on the highway and around neighborhoods (well ok, but not that often.)

 

hahaha! hey pat wheres this secret donut spot? I got a sedan rsb on my car with KB links in the rear. Front links will go on same time as brakes (god knows when that will happen). Front tire pressure is at 34 and the rear is 36. See yah around

 

Ralph my friend,

Now if I told you, it wouldn't be a secret, would it?

If you could get on Wheeler, I'd show you.

Pat

 

True...

 

Ralph, Pat, or Tim,

If any of y'all want to come up here to Wheeler, I'll take you over to where I tune and generally test. I would have to imagine that it's frowned upon, but in my mind, it's much safer than the highway. It's about 1/4 long and there's a pad mid-strip for checking suspension stuffs.

Anyhow, question for whomever; like I said in an earlier post; I think Kathy is getting me coilovers. I'd suspect that they were the Tein's because 1) They say they're specifically for the wagon, and 2) There aren't too many to select from besides Tein here on the island.

Are the Tein Wagon's necessarily my only choice for my grocery getter? Are they going to be the easiest 'bolt-on' due to specific design? What am I giving up/gaining with the 'wagons'? I know they lack pillowballs/dampening control, but beyond that, I see no real difference.

Gracias

 

I wouldnt say that Tein's are necessarily your only choice as there lots of people that are running sedan set-ups on wagons. I'm gonna try out the type-flex's and see how they are. I'm not even sure if I need that much dampering or height adjustment but when I ordered I did want something that I could mess around with.

The wagon set-up should be easy to install. The only other differences that I can see are the spring rates and body housing material. I think that all of Tein's product line with the exception to the flex's are prone to corrode near the perches. Dont know if it will matter here, cause I think it was more for the people driving in snow but I could be wrong. Damn it I'm babbling again.

HTH