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I have an 02' WRX Sedan and I'm looking to upgrade some bushings
I'm going to get poly. bushings all around, but I have heard that on some cars it's good to get alumimum bushings on certain steering components (in high wear areas).
Does anyone know what a good bushing set up would be with a lot of suspension mods?
I'm going to get poly. bushings all around, but I have heard that on some cars it's good to get alumimum bushings on certain steering components (in high wear areas).
Does anyone know what a good bushing set up would be with a lot of suspension mods?
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i'd go with either the STi Group-N bushing set, or something from a company like proflex. the STi stuff is more expensive, but arguably better quality.
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i don't know that whiteline sells a complete kit, though they might. Noltec makes a bunch, though i think you'll have to buy them ala carte, they don't sell a kit to the best of my knowledge.
try http://www.rallispec.com for the full group N kit.
try http://www.rallispec.com for the full group N kit.
You may also want to check out Energy Suspension. They have a new kit for the WRX. Not all of the bushing but some like the Front End Control Arm Bushing Set, Rear Trailing Arm Bushing Set, Front Sway Bar Bushing Set, Rear Sway Bar Bushing Set, and Manual Shifter Bushing Set. Then fill in the rest with some Whiteline, STi group-N, or Noltec.
I tried the Noltec steering rack bushing but it was a pain to install. It was just off a bit. I switched to the Whiteline product and it fit like a glove and installed in about 30 min.
http://www.energysuspension.com/subaru.html
For me I went with the STi group-N for everything but the steering rack bushing and shifter bushing (whiteline and kartboy).
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I tried the Noltec steering rack bushing but it was a pain to install. It was just off a bit. I switched to the Whiteline product and it fit like a glove and installed in about 30 min.
http://www.energysuspension.com/subaru.html
For me I went with the STi group-N for everything but the steering rack bushing and shifter bushing (whiteline and kartboy).
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Are you overly concerned with ride quality? If you are, then don't get the metal bushings. They will make it feel like you are sitting on an earthquake. You will 'feel' the engine rumbling, especially at idle when you sitting at a light. It sounds cool, but it can get uncomfortable after a while. You will get great response, though.
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Spherical bushings are for race cars. Hardened urethane bushings give 90% of the stiffness with about half of the NVH transfer. Also, urethane bushings last much longer. Remember, stuff on a race car doesn't have to last very long. Stuff on your car does.
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Thats a good link for all those bushings, I didn't even know that "STI hardend pitch stop mount" existed, but it sounds pretty good. Do you know witch bushings to get for the control arms if you have the ALK? And all of the bushings on that page are rubber right? So at the bottom it said that you can get "Powerflex Polyurethane Bushings", So really you can get all of those applications on that page in Poly instead seprately?
lowball
"For me I went with the STi group-N for everything but the steering rack bushing and shifter bushing (whiteline and kartboy)."
For the STI group-N, did you get that from Energy Suspension? I'm going to get Aluminum control arms and Perrin's P.S.R.S.(same as ALK exept ball joints instead of bushings) and a new front sway bar(I have the rear and end links already). So I don't think that Energy suspensions kit will be good for me because I will already have most of the bushings replaced.
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I'm not really that concerned with ride quality, but it is my daily driver so I don't want it too bad. But I am getting a custom roll cage welded to the inside of my car, along with bucket seats and 5-point harnesses. Next year I'm going to get Praxis to help stiffen and soften the ride. So I think that the combo will be liveable.
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Thanks for the info, I didn't know that urethane lasted longer.
So in a nutshell I want to replace all the bushings in the whole car, but I don't want to buy bushings for parts that already come with the aftermarket parts I have listed.
I would like to thank everyone so much for there help:banana:
Thats a good link for all those bushings, I didn't even know that "STI hardend pitch stop mount" existed, but it sounds pretty good. Do you know witch bushings to get for the control arms if you have the ALK? And all of the bushings on that page are rubber right? So at the bottom it said that you can get "Powerflex Polyurethane Bushings", So really you can get all of those applications on that page in Poly instead seprately?
lowball
"For me I went with the STi group-N for everything but the steering rack bushing and shifter bushing (whiteline and kartboy)."
For the STI group-N, did you get that from Energy Suspension? I'm going to get Aluminum control arms and Perrin's P.S.R.S.(same as ALK exept ball joints instead of bushings) and a new front sway bar(I have the rear and end links already). So I don't think that Energy suspensions kit will be good for me because I will already have most of the bushings replaced.
crash n burn
I'm not really that concerned with ride quality, but it is my daily driver so I don't want it too bad. But I am getting a custom roll cage welded to the inside of my car, along with bucket seats and 5-point harnesses. Next year I'm going to get Praxis to help stiffen and soften the ride. So I think that the combo will be liveable.
BAN SUVS
Thanks for the info, I didn't know that urethane lasted longer.
So in a nutshell I want to replace all the bushings in the whole car, but I don't want to buy bushings for parts that already come with the aftermarket parts I have listed.
I would like to thank everyone so much for there help:banana:
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as far as i know, the only other bushing you could replace with the ALK would be the front inner control arm bushing (i think). the ALK will replace one of the bushings, so if you're buying a full kit you might have a duplicate.
i'm not sure exactly what comes in the Powerflex kit, you might want to call RalliSpec and ask.
i'm not sure exactly what comes in the Powerflex kit, you might want to call RalliSpec and ask.
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"For me I went with the STi group-N for everything but the steering rack bushing and shifter bushing (whiteline and kartboy)."
For the STI group-N, did you get that from Energy Suspension? I'm going to get Aluminum control arms and Perrin's P.S.R.S.(same as ALK exept ball joints instead of bushings) and a new front sway bar(I have the rear and end links already). So I don't think that Energy suspensions kit will be good for me because I will already have most of the bushings replaced.
"For me I went with the STi group-N for everything but the steering rack bushing and shifter bushing (whiteline and kartboy)."
For the STI group-N, did you get that from Energy Suspension? I'm going to get Aluminum control arms and Perrin's P.S.R.S.(same as ALK exept ball joints instead of bushings) and a new front sway bar(I have the rear and end links already). So I don't think that Energy suspensions kit will be good for me because I will already have most of the bushings replaced.
The stuff from Energy are actual "hardened urethane bushings" that replace the factory soft bushings. They have to be installed into your OEM parts or if it's engine, tranny or strut tops, just replaced. If that all makes since...
The swaybar bushings and shifter bushings are just pop in place too.That Perrin kit is supose to be a pretty good alternate to the Whiteline kit. I wound have went that way but I already used the STi set up, but it doesn't change caster like the ALK's.
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"That Perrin kit is supose to be a pretty good alternate to the Whiteline kit. I wound have went that way but I already used the STi set up, but it doesn't change caster like the ALK's."
Doesn't Perrin's change caster as well?
I read it on the last page of the "whiteline Antilift Kit" thread
"That Perrin kit is supose to be a pretty good alternate to the Whiteline kit. I wound have went that way but I already used the STi set up, but it doesn't change caster like the ALK's."
Doesn't Perrin's change caster as well?
I read it on the last page of the "whiteline Antilift Kit" thread
Last edited by nitro; Mar 11, 2004 at 06:10 PM.
Originally posted by nitro
lowball
"That Perrin kit is supose to be a pretty good alternate to the Whiteline kit. I wound have went that way but I already used the STi set up, but it doesn't change caster like the ALK's."
Doesn't Perrin's change caster as well?
I read it on the last page of the "whiteline Antilift Kit" thread
lowball
"That Perrin kit is supose to be a pretty good alternate to the Whiteline kit. I wound have went that way but I already used the STi set up, but it doesn't change caster like the ALK's."
Doesn't Perrin's change caster as well?
I read it on the last page of the "whiteline Antilift Kit" thread
LB
stupid question..... what exactly are bushings?
It sounds like they obviously help with your cars manuverability, but.....
what is exactly is it?
where do these "bushings" attach to?
what can of improvements can I see with changing "bushings"?
what are the negative sides to doing "bushings"? (except for feeling more road as stated above)
is changing bushing's an easy job?
is it relatively a cheap modification to do to a car?
just a few question questions for now....
Thanks in advance.
- Ulysses
It sounds like they obviously help with your cars manuverability, but.....
what is exactly is it?
where do these "bushings" attach to?
what can of improvements can I see with changing "bushings"?
what are the negative sides to doing "bushings"? (except for feeling more road as stated above)
is changing bushing's an easy job?
is it relatively a cheap modification to do to a car?
just a few question questions for now....
Thanks in advance.
- Ulysses
Originally posted by useful
stupid question..... what exactly are bushings?
It sounds like they obviously help with your cars manuverability, but.....
what is exactly is it?
where do these "bushings" attach to?
what can of improvements can I see with changing "bushings"?
what are the negative sides to doing "bushings"? (except for feeling more road as stated above)
is changing bushing's an easy job?
is it relatively a cheap modification to do to a car?
just a few question questions for now....
Thanks in advance.
- Ulysses
stupid question..... what exactly are bushings?
It sounds like they obviously help with your cars manuverability, but.....
what is exactly is it?
where do these "bushings" attach to?
what can of improvements can I see with changing "bushings"?
what are the negative sides to doing "bushings"? (except for feeling more road as stated above)
is changing bushing's an easy job?
is it relatively a cheap modification to do to a car?
just a few question questions for now....
Thanks in advance.
- Ulysses
It’s a rubber bushing that separates metal parts on the car. It prevents metal on metal contact. The factory ones are very soft and are made so that it gives the car a more comfortable ride.
what do these "bushings" attach to?
They attached to various parts on the car like the sway bars, strut tops, engine mounts, etc.
what can of improvements can I see with changing "bushings"?
The car will have less play or sloppiness, which will provide better handling and allow you to drive the car with more control and responsiveness.
Here is a quote from Rallispec: “significantly reduce compliance for more precise wheel alignment control.”
what are the negative sides to doing "bushings"? (except for feeling more road as stated above)
Feeling the road more, increased noise and vibration. But it all depends on the combination of bushings that you use. If you just replace the sway bar bushings you may not really notice much in the way of more noise or vibration. But when you start getting into the strut tops, engine and tranny mounts, control arm bushings, etc. you will get increased NV (noise and vibration).
is changing bushing's an easy job?
Some are easy some are not so easy. The engine and tranny mounts are not so easy. The strut tops and front control arm bushings are not to bad. The lateral links and trailing arms I think you need a bushing press of some kind.
is relatively a cheap modification to do to a car?
Not really. The complete 17 piece group-N bushing kit is around $550 and then you can add the strut tops for another $300. Engine and tranny mounts are about $70 to $90 each. And then you either have to get it all installed or due it yourself.
There is a lot of info on suspension mods so just search around and see what fits your budget. But don’t forget, the WRX stock is a better handling car than most cars in its class right out of the box with out changing anything. So depending on what you plan on doing with the car you may just need to add a matched set of sway bars and some better tires.


