Brembo vs. Stoptech
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Alcon / Prodrive 305mm ventilated discs and 4-pot calipers front and Rear.
For asphalt use, front brakes are 366mm ventilated discs with 6-pot water-cooled calipers
For asphalt use, front brakes are 366mm ventilated discs with 6-pot water-cooled calipers
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I don't know.. the only reason I am saying this, is based on a few pictures I saw a few years ago (Static WRC pics), it showed the WRC car with AP front brakes... (Sometimes in the static pics, the cars don't have calipers at all! 
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Yeah, but the Subaru Rally Team USA uses Alcon calipers for both the front and rear. So I can only assume that they use similar calipers for the WRC car.
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I have a friend that is running the Wilwoods and he tells me that he likes them. The only complaint he has is just dusty wheels and having clean his calipers with brake cleaner at ever oil change. Other than that he says that they are good. They also fit under 16 inch wheels.
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As I recall from reading it when it came in the mail, all the kits were good save one that wasn't Brembo or Stoptech... but the Stoptech's were much much cheaper and performed very well. Go with them. Sport Compact Car has put them on their last 4 project cars with brake upgrades, plus or minus one Wilwood kit.
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Originally posted by GarySheehan
Why would you go for Brembo? Just for the name?
The Stoptechs are cheaper and outperformed both sets of Brembos in the Car and Driver test. As I understand it, it's because the Stoptech caliper is stiffer than the Brembo caliper.
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Why would you go for Brembo? Just for the name?
The Stoptechs are cheaper and outperformed both sets of Brembos in the Car and Driver test. As I understand it, it's because the Stoptech caliper is stiffer than the Brembo caliper.
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Gary. I think you are stating your opinion rather then fact on the car and driver tests. The Stop techs did not "win". In fact they complained about how much effort is needed to brake and if you look at the charts on the second left page you will see the brembo kits stopped shorter in some columns. One of them 16 ft if I can remember correctly. Its been a while since I have read the mag but I have it at home. Also, the very scary part about how the Stop techs brackets where pulling out or comming loose.
Stop techs and Brembos are both top line kits but to say the Stop techs "won" is not fair.
Remember, Stop techs are almost an identical copy of the Brembo caliper. There where small changes made to the caliper but it is still even labeled a "40". From what I understand the person behind the scenes (name withheld) at Stop tech used to work for Brembo...
Brembo stops the fastest cars in the world. Brembo has been around the longest, Brembo comes factory on many cars including MB, Porsche, Ferrari, Subaru, ect.. Brembo has by far more race experience as well and Brembo is recognized as the leader in brakes world wide.
Stop tech is a relatively new company and has only a few caliper choices and minimal brake kits on the market. They are making waves and making noise and people seem pleased with the stop tech kits. I think they offer a great value for the money. But in the end it is almost an identical copy of an a 40 Brembo caliper with advertised "improvements". I am not a brake engineer so I can comment on the fact that they are better... But, They are a hell of a value... But give credit where credit is due. To both companys.
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How much can you really make a caliper different? And in the test (I don't have the magazine) were they all using the same pads, fluid and lines? I'm not trying to knock brembo, they make good brakes but I bet alot of that money for them is going into the name alone.
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Originally posted by Akiata
How much can you really make a caliper different? And in the test (I don't have the magazine) were they all using the same pads, fluid and lines? I'm not trying to knock brembo, they make good brakes but I bet alot of that money for them is going into the name alone.
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How much can you really make a caliper different? And in the test (I don't have the magazine) were they all using the same pads, fluid and lines? I'm not trying to knock brembo, they make good brakes but I bet alot of that money for them is going into the name alone.
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CT a few observations and clarifications from StopTech
Also, the very scary part about how the Stop techs brackets where pulling out or comming loose.
CT the brackets did not come loose. The comment related to removing the jet nut holding on the mounting stud. When the mechanic removed the jut nut the stud starting backing out. Any good mechanic would have tightened the stud upon re-installing the caliper. We have since lowered the torque spec on the jet nut and improved the loctite application to the stud.
fact they complained about how much effort is needed to brake and if you look at the charts on the second left page you will see the brembo kits stopped shorter in some columns. One of them 16 ft if I can remember correctly
The writer noted that the StopTech kit required the most effort to lock the brakes with ABS disabled. In my view this was more of a report than a complaint. As a racer I don't want to easily lock the fronts. We also turned in the best stopping with ABS disabled. CT I don't see any data showing a 16 ft difference. The biggest difference was in the 40-0 with the $2995 Brembo kit including better pads and that was only 4 ft.
Stop techs and Brembos are both top line kits but to say the Stop techs "won" is not fair.
We beat the Brembo Lotus kit in the 70-0 and 90-0 tests and beat the Brembo F50 kit in 90-0 av. I would say we won the price performance battle. If you wonder about the 60-0 numbers remember we had our now $73 pad AXXIS Ultimate pad versus the $300 pads I believe were in the Brembo kit. If you run our kit with a $177 Pagid pad stopping distances in a 3 stop scenario will be improved in the low speed tests.
There where small changes made to the caliper but it is still even labeled a "40". From what I understand the person behind the scenes (name withheld) at Stop tech used to work for Brembo...
Our caliper is different in major ways than the Brembo caliper, different abutment plates, different pad retention, different brake pad, different caliper halves and of course our patented caliper bridge. The label ST40 relates to four pistons. Our ST10 is a one piston, the ST20 is a two piston, The ST60 is a six piston.
No one at StopTech ever worked for Brembo!!!
CT in the same Car & Driver article a StopTech Shod Viper came third in the 150-0 brake test and was the first front engine car in braking with a 3600lb Viper.
Brembo is an excellent company with excellent products. StopTech is offering a new to approach brake upgrades with our extensive development of different piston sizes for Street upgrades based on track testing. Ironically the optimum size for the WRX turned out to be the same one Brembo was using. In most other platforms our piston combo is different than the F40/F50 brake kits.
Also, the very scary part about how the Stop techs brackets where pulling out or comming loose.
CT the brackets did not come loose. The comment related to removing the jet nut holding on the mounting stud. When the mechanic removed the jut nut the stud starting backing out. Any good mechanic would have tightened the stud upon re-installing the caliper. We have since lowered the torque spec on the jet nut and improved the loctite application to the stud.
fact they complained about how much effort is needed to brake and if you look at the charts on the second left page you will see the brembo kits stopped shorter in some columns. One of them 16 ft if I can remember correctly
The writer noted that the StopTech kit required the most effort to lock the brakes with ABS disabled. In my view this was more of a report than a complaint. As a racer I don't want to easily lock the fronts. We also turned in the best stopping with ABS disabled. CT I don't see any data showing a 16 ft difference. The biggest difference was in the 40-0 with the $2995 Brembo kit including better pads and that was only 4 ft.
Stop techs and Brembos are both top line kits but to say the Stop techs "won" is not fair.
We beat the Brembo Lotus kit in the 70-0 and 90-0 tests and beat the Brembo F50 kit in 90-0 av. I would say we won the price performance battle. If you wonder about the 60-0 numbers remember we had our now $73 pad AXXIS Ultimate pad versus the $300 pads I believe were in the Brembo kit. If you run our kit with a $177 Pagid pad stopping distances in a 3 stop scenario will be improved in the low speed tests.
There where small changes made to the caliper but it is still even labeled a "40". From what I understand the person behind the scenes (name withheld) at Stop tech used to work for Brembo...
Our caliper is different in major ways than the Brembo caliper, different abutment plates, different pad retention, different brake pad, different caliper halves and of course our patented caliper bridge. The label ST40 relates to four pistons. Our ST10 is a one piston, the ST20 is a two piston, The ST60 is a six piston.
No one at StopTech ever worked for Brembo!!!
CT in the same Car & Driver article a StopTech Shod Viper came third in the 150-0 brake test and was the first front engine car in braking with a 3600lb Viper.
Brembo is an excellent company with excellent products. StopTech is offering a new to approach brake upgrades with our extensive development of different piston sizes for Street upgrades based on track testing. Ironically the optimum size for the WRX turned out to be the same one Brembo was using. In most other platforms our piston combo is different than the F40/F50 brake kits.
Last edited by rlee; Jan 3, 2003 at 06:59 PM.
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I have never used the Brembo brakes, but I do have the Stoptechs and can vouch that they are phenomenal. The C&D test shows, for the money, the Stoptechs are the best, and they're even better in some some tests, regardless of price. I think it's odd that people HAVE to try and bring the Stoptechs down a peg from Brembos. It's some sort of loyalty or status thing. I don't know. All I know is that I have actual experience with them (street and track), and I love them. To me, that's the most important test. When someone can recommend them based on actual experience.