Brakes
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Brakes
Ok I'v Been around this forum quite some time and just became a member the other day, so I hope some of you pros can help me out.
I have a 98rs and I ready for a brake upgrade along with wheels. I have been looking at the Perrins modified Wilwood 4-pot front and the 2-pot rear.I think its like $799 for the front and $799 for the rear (I checked so many differnt web-sites, I forget the exact amount). Now my ? is, Does anyone have these kits or know about them (what did Perrin modify?). I dont want to kill the wallet, but I do want quality. Any suggestions are GREATLY appreceated.
I have a 98rs and I ready for a brake upgrade along with wheels. I have been looking at the Perrins modified Wilwood 4-pot front and the 2-pot rear.I think its like $799 for the front and $799 for the rear (I checked so many differnt web-sites, I forget the exact amount). Now my ? is, Does anyone have these kits or know about them (what did Perrin modify?). I dont want to kill the wallet, but I do want quality. Any suggestions are GREATLY appreceated.
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I gotta ask, why do you think you need $1600 brakes to stop your car?
I know they are cool, but c'mon, that will buy a lot more speed elsewhere.
I race a 2700 lb Audi in hillclimbs and track days, single piston 4 wheel disc brakes that aren't especially big, and with Hawk pads and stock everything else I can haul that pig down with no problems.
I know they are cool, but c'mon, that will buy a lot more speed elsewhere.
I race a 2700 lb Audi in hillclimbs and track days, single piston 4 wheel disc brakes that aren't especially big, and with Hawk pads and stock everything else I can haul that pig down with no problems.
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Just really looking for suggestions on brakes. This is my first build up of a car. I bought it brand new in Sept 97' and its now paid off. I have the usual Intake, headers, High flow cat and stromung exhaust. Just ordered Morrette from the GB for looks and I thought Its now time for brakes.
One day a few months ago, I was aggressivly driving home and about the time I made it around my house, my brakes seem like the didnt want to stop very good ( heated up, a little glazed). If I dont need $1600 brakes then cool, less money I have to spend. Like I said, just looking for suggestions. Thanks for yours by the way.
One day a few months ago, I was aggressivly driving home and about the time I made it around my house, my brakes seem like the didnt want to stop very good ( heated up, a little glazed). If I dont need $1600 brakes then cool, less money I have to spend. Like I said, just looking for suggestions. Thanks for yours by the way.
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First let me preface this with, I am not, nor will I ever be the "brake authority", however I can say that I experienced some issues with brake performance in my RS in extended mountain driving at speed, so I did a little research on the topic myself.
From what I gather the issue with Wilwood calipers in general is that they lack dust seals: This means frequent rebuilds. This pushed me away from any consideration of the new Wilwood big brake kit or the Perrin kit. Brembos, though nice are expensive and do suffer from warping, according to a number of other forums. Thus I considered two other positively regarded setups, the ProDrive Big Brake set and the StopTech Big Brake set.
Impressions on both seem to be very positive. The StopTechs are lighter than the ProDrive and probably are easier to get parts for as they are US based. That said, it seems that stopping distances are comparable and my experience with ProDrive in general has been overwhelmingly positive.
I finally chose the ProDrives because after an argument with their supplier TireRack, TireRack decided to clear out all ProDrive products including wheels and brakes. You might want to check the site out to see what is still available. When I bought the brakes they were about 2/3 original price ($1399) while StopTechs with some extras are usually about $1695. For a minimal difference in performance between ProDrive and StopTech units, I thought the ProDrives were the better deal.
It should also be added that unless you are using 17 inch wheels neither the StopTech nor ProDrive will fit.
First let me preface this with, I am not, nor will I ever be the "brake authority", however I can say that I experienced some issues with brake performance in my RS in extended mountain driving at speed, so I did a little research on the topic myself.
From what I gather the issue with Wilwood calipers in general is that they lack dust seals: This means frequent rebuilds. This pushed me away from any consideration of the new Wilwood big brake kit or the Perrin kit. Brembos, though nice are expensive and do suffer from warping, according to a number of other forums. Thus I considered two other positively regarded setups, the ProDrive Big Brake set and the StopTech Big Brake set.
Impressions on both seem to be very positive. The StopTechs are lighter than the ProDrive and probably are easier to get parts for as they are US based. That said, it seems that stopping distances are comparable and my experience with ProDrive in general has been overwhelmingly positive.
I finally chose the ProDrives because after an argument with their supplier TireRack, TireRack decided to clear out all ProDrive products including wheels and brakes. You might want to check the site out to see what is still available. When I bought the brakes they were about 2/3 original price ($1399) while StopTechs with some extras are usually about $1695. For a minimal difference in performance between ProDrive and StopTech units, I thought the ProDrives were the better deal.
It should also be added that unless you are using 17 inch wheels neither the StopTech nor ProDrive will fit.
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Thanks Timsubyrs
I plan on getting 17 inch wheels but also keeping my factory wheels for the winter. Now I heard alot of good things about stoptech but the above statement prevents my from buying them (dont want to change brake setup along w/ wheel every winter).
I also read that there is no need to upgrade the rear brakes and its a waste of money. Thanks though for the info on wilwood, it will make me double think what to buy.
Anyone else have an opion on Perrin/Wilwood setup or any other brands (Without killing the wallet).
I also read that there is no need to upgrade the rear brakes and its a waste of money. Thanks though for the info on wilwood, it will make me double think what to buy.
Anyone else have an opion on Perrin/Wilwood setup or any other brands (Without killing the wallet).
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Well one other thing to add. I have a buddy running new pads, stainless steel lines, and better brake fluid. This certainly improves feel and stopping distance. Ultimately much cheaper than buying a whole new set of brakes while providing a significant improvement over stock.
Good luck!
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Good luck!
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Keep researching, but why not try pads and better fluid for now? You may find it does what you need, and you save yourself a lot of bucks. If it doesn't do what you need, well, you haven't really wasted much. 
I agree, not much to be gained by screwing with the rear brakes.

I agree, not much to be gained by screwing with the rear brakes.
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From what I gather the issue with Wilwood calipers in general is that they lack dust seals: This means frequent rebuilds.
That said....I've had ZERO problems from the lack of dust seals. All 16 pistons work and work well (My WRX has "good" brakes, my Impala has brakes that are strong enough it'll scare the crap out of you.....especially for a 4300 lb car!). The seals are sorta overrated anyways.....on a track-driven car, you'll disintegrate them out of the caliper after much hard usage anyways.
Only key here is that 1-2 times/year, you need to remove the pads and simply clean the pistons. Takes about 5 minutes and $5 worth of brake cleaner (with an old toothbrush). So no they aren't "maintentance free" like an OEM caliper.....but they sure aren't the "nightmare" that folks talk about either.
I would expect that problems might be more prevalent in "Salt" climates, however I have friends running Wilwood-based kits in the Rust Belt without issues. Maintenance is key here.
I would not hesitate at all to throw a Wilwood-based kit on my WRX, IF my AutoX class (STX) would allow it. It doesn't, so a moot point on this car for me.
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So we have a one plus and one minus for Wilwood kit.
Does anyone have experence or know about the OEM Subau 4-pot kits on a GC8 impreza? Worth the money? Pro's and Con's? Where you may have purchased them from and the price?
Anyone else with suggestions please join in.
Does anyone have experence or know about the OEM Subau 4-pot kits on a GC8 impreza? Worth the money? Pro's and Con's? Where you may have purchased them from and the price?
Anyone else with suggestions please join in.
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I am definitely not anything close to a brake expert.
I have put close to 3000 track miles on my 99 RS and have only experienced fade once - running west loop of thunderhill while trying to keep up with a near novice driving a Viper ACR. At the time I was running stock rotors (still am), Axxis Metal Master pads front, stock rear, stainless lines, and that's it.
I'm about to swap in the single stage booster that's been kicking around, and replacing the fluid with super blue. I hear the stock ford brake fluid has a boiling point of around 540 degrees and is a lot cheaper than blue. Finally I'll swap in Axxis Ultimates to replace my metal masters.
I don't know what you've done to your RS. But if you're still running stock pads, dump them for something with a higher functional temperature. Just make sure they're streetable pads - something that will grip at ambient temp - not race temps. You could also try ducting air to your rotors to cool them.
My thoughts are two fold. First, for 1600 dollars, you could go to pretty much any race school and drop seconds off your laptimes - on any car. Second, while Team SMR runs stoptechs front, Gary is still on stock rears but with a more aggressive pad.
Am I trying to discourage you from spending the money on brakes? Not at all. They're a hugely important aspect of going fast. But so is driver skill, tires, and so on. Before spending big bucks on rotor and caliper upgrades, I would upgrade the supporting cast - lines, pads, fluid, and possibly master cylinder and cooling ducting...
I have put close to 3000 track miles on my 99 RS and have only experienced fade once - running west loop of thunderhill while trying to keep up with a near novice driving a Viper ACR. At the time I was running stock rotors (still am), Axxis Metal Master pads front, stock rear, stainless lines, and that's it.
I'm about to swap in the single stage booster that's been kicking around, and replacing the fluid with super blue. I hear the stock ford brake fluid has a boiling point of around 540 degrees and is a lot cheaper than blue. Finally I'll swap in Axxis Ultimates to replace my metal masters.
I don't know what you've done to your RS. But if you're still running stock pads, dump them for something with a higher functional temperature. Just make sure they're streetable pads - something that will grip at ambient temp - not race temps. You could also try ducting air to your rotors to cool them.
My thoughts are two fold. First, for 1600 dollars, you could go to pretty much any race school and drop seconds off your laptimes - on any car. Second, while Team SMR runs stoptechs front, Gary is still on stock rears but with a more aggressive pad.
Am I trying to discourage you from spending the money on brakes? Not at all. They're a hugely important aspect of going fast. But so is driver skill, tires, and so on. Before spending big bucks on rotor and caliper upgrades, I would upgrade the supporting cast - lines, pads, fluid, and possibly master cylinder and cooling ducting...
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Ok what is the best brake fluid to go with and where can i get it for a good price. I'm not tracking the car just everyday driving (like a maniac, you know what i mean
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These are just the loaded calipers, pads, pins, clip, etc. For the fronts you can use stock WRX rotors. Don't have pics yet. What do you want to know about them, a search should give you some good info. Email me if you're interested.


