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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 02:39 PM
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My Pearl Harbor thread.

Pearl Harbor has been another questioning event. This is what I found in my reading and the bits and pieces paint another picture.

The U.S. government knew that the “divine wind” was preparing to blow. Some documentation states that the Japanese code was broken month before the attack and that the known threat was eminent. What supports the scenario is the carrier group was out on deployment with out the battleships. This is not how the fleet deploys. The battle groups are the front lines of defense for the carrier groups. The battleships could be lost but not the carriers.

Hitler was running over Europe and his next target was England. Churchill was asking for support from the U.S. and we supplied them with weapons and arms. The German U boat was wreaking havoc on the supply chain. There were a number of meetings with Roosevelt and Churchill concerning support.

Roosevelt knew that it Hitler was to take all of Europe he would be unstoppable. The problem that Roosevelt had was that the people in the U.S. has just finished with WW1 and had nothing to do with another war. The people were not willing to go back to Europe again; this put Roosevelt in a dilemma.

During this time Japan was running over Asia into China and the Pacific realm. Japan felt that the key to the pacific was Hawaii.

An attack on Pearl Harbor would stir the American people to bear arms and enter the WWII. If there were no attack on Pearl Harbor, would the U.S. enter the war in Europe. No, The United States wished to isolate it self from European problems.

This is why I believe it to be true. If you look in the history books the deployment of U.S. soldiers was to Europe first and then to the pacific theater.

During the war Japan were making attacks on the U.S. The Japanese were launching Balloons with bombs and chemical agents with a few of them reached U.S. soil in the northwest. The U.S. government kept the attacks quiet and the American people focus on Hitler. It was not till after Europe was liberated that all efforts turned to Japan.

Only the U.S. could provide the equipment needed without a enemy threat on the production plants.( Alantic and Pacific ocean)

It is these facts that lead me to believe that Roosevelt had to do this in order to bring the American people to arms and fight in Europe. If he had not taken these steps we would probably be speaking German today.

call it what you want but it makes sense to me.
Old Sep 11, 2007 | 02:46 PM
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for a moment i thought this was about something else cuz i read the word "pearl" but carry on
Old Sep 11, 2007 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by theheckwithyou
for a moment i thought this was about something else cuz i read the word "pearl" but carry on
so did i o.O
Old Sep 11, 2007 | 02:56 PM
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I find it ironic you would post such a thread on September 11th. Furthermore I can't help but notice how it is always people with a very weak understanding of history that seem to adopt these conspiracy theories. As I'm sure you're not aware of, Britain had lost a great deal of their military supplies following their retreat from the European continent at the Battle of Dunkirk. After the adoption of the Lend-Lease act we sent them tons of supplies via the Northern Atlantic. We could have entered the war at any time after the Germans attack on any of these ships.
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we couldnt let japan know we broke thier code by having the navy pointed in thier direction miles out from hawaii
Old Sep 11, 2007 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sigma pi
we couldnt let japan know we broke thier code by having the navy pointed in thier direction miles out from hawaii
This is true actually to a smaller degree. We did the same thing with the German "Enigma". We'd faint moves occasionally to ensure they didn't change their comms system.
Old Sep 11, 2007 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 1reguL8NSTi
This is true actually to a smaller degree. We did the same thing with the German "Enigma". We'd faint moves occasionally to ensure they didn't change their comms system.
the british cracked that one right?
Old Sep 11, 2007 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 1reguL8NSTi
I find it ironic you would post such a thread on September 11th. Furthermore I can't help but notice how it is always people with a very weak understanding of history that seem to adopt these conspiracy theories. As I'm sure you're not aware of, Britain had lost a great deal of their military supplies following their retreat from the European continent at the Battle of Dunkirk. After the adoption of the Lend-Lease act we sent them tons of supplies via the Northern Atlantic. We could have entered the war at any time after the Germans attack on any of these ships.
Your point is taken, but the American people was not willing to go back to Europe and fight again. They lost to many sons. This is what complicated things. Yes the Lend Lease is proof that Roosevelt was trying to help Britain as much as possible, but being on that island was a disadvantage to them.
Old Sep 11, 2007 | 03:16 PM
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they broke the german code dont you think they could break the japaneese

they wouldnt tell you they did because of the people that died in pearl harbor
thats thier motivation for not telling


on a side note my great grandfather and grandma went to an internment camp in utah. they got moved from hawaii haha a big climate change
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Originally Posted by Ichinobu
Your point is taken, but the American people was not willing to go back to Europe and fight again. They lost to many sons. This is what complicated things. Yes the Lend Lease is proof that Roosevelt was trying to help Britain as much as possible, but being on that island was a disadvantage to them.
troops =/= sending goods

totally different
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This is all part of some psych project isn't it. First we didn't land on the moon, pearl harbor was a set up by the US......which is next? You start up all this then take stock of peoples reactions and measure which has a stronger response. Any guesses on what his next conspiracy theory is, the obvious BUSH let the Planes hit or something more creative?
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Originally Posted by shardsti
This is all part of some psych project isn't it. First we didn't land on the moon, pearl harbor was a set up by the US......which is next? You start up all this then take stock of peoples reactions and measure which has a stronger response. Any guesses on what his next conspiracy theory is, the obvious BUSH let the Planes hit or something more creative?
http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main
Old Sep 11, 2007 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by sigma pi
on a side note my great grandfather and grandma went to an internment camp in utah. they got moved from hawaii haha a big climate change


pearl harbor sucked but:
http://www.nps.gov/nr/twhp/wwwlps/le.../18charts1.htm
~2,300 people

compared to:
http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/MED/med_chp10.shtml
~105,000 people

on top of that, military casualty vs. civilian casualty.... hmmm.
Old Sep 11, 2007 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Ichinobu
Your point is taken, but the American people was not willing to go back to Europe and fight again. They lost to many sons. This is what complicated things. Yes the Lend Lease is proof that Roosevelt was trying to help Britain as much as possible, but being on that island was a disadvantage to them.
OK, let's assume that's true. Let's assume we need the attack on Pearl Harbor to justify us going to war with Japan. How in the hell do you justify us persuading the American populace into storming the Atlantic Wall (Normandy beaches) practically hand built by Erwen Rommel (possibly the greatest tactican of the modern world)? How do you convince what was at the time an entire generation of males to strap up and do battle on a beach where at some points only 1 in 10 would survive (Pointe du Hoc Rangers)?

I know eventually you will reference 9/11.....please do. When that happened we sent Americas finest to the mountains of Afghanistan to kill al-Qaeda and their Taliban housekeepers. And surely after that you will reference Iraq, well congrats, that vote passed to 2 years after the fact of 9/11 putting America on a two front war which militarily, is walking a fine line.

The fact of the matter is is that Americans have been, and will always be a sympathetic people who will never tolerate human suffering of any kind for any amount of time. With or without Pearl Harbor, it was on for Japan and Germany, you have to be an idiot to believe otherwise.
Old Sep 11, 2007 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by shim022


pearl harbor sucked but:
http://www.nps.gov/nr/twhp/wwwlps/le.../18charts1.htm
~2,300 people

compared to:
http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/MED/med_chp10.shtml
~105,000 people

on top of that, military casualty vs. civilian casualty.... hmmm.
but every last japaneese person would have fought for the emporer



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