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Also, If you read the rest of the post you replied to, you would have read the answers to these questions:
The compression test also showed a potential problem... Not neceserily a broken piston, but the compression numbers were significantly out of spec.
After consulting with Silas, we decided it was best to just get the car safe and drivable for now so he can decide what to do. We swapped out the MAF and I put a base map on the car and took it out for some minor adjustments.
After consulting with Silas, we decided it was best to just get the car safe and drivable for now so he can decide what to do. We swapped out the MAF and I put a base map on the car and took it out for some minor adjustments.
Like I said, we did not make a determination that a ringland was definitely the problem. We explained that there could be a handful of potential causes for the irregular compression numbers, but it would cost him more to diagnose it further and considering that he would not be able to afford to fix the problem either way, we decided that there was no point in spending more time/money on the diagnostics at this time. The numbers did not show a fatal issue yet and I did not want to let him leave with a car that is barely running, so I got it running as well as possible given the problems so that he could at least drive it around safely now.
What would you do in this situation? Let the customer leave with a car that is barely running and could potentially cause more damage quicker?
-- Ed
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It seems like you are using this tread to go after EQ, all along pretending that you care about the issue at hand. Just so you know i dont go to EQ, but I could not help but notice your constant attraction to Ed.
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I went through silas car and found a vacuum leak at the stock bcs. We replaced it with a hallman mbc and fixed the vacuum leak.
I went through all the other couplers and pressurised areas and couldn't find anything else. So there was no boost leak. The maf could have been messed up but I cleaned it and not having a spare or wanting to buy one not knowing 100% that the original is faulty we left it as is.
Silas really wanted me to tune the car. I had issues connecting to his ecu for whatever reason and could LOG his car just fine, but couldn't FLASH it. Told him I can't tune it and suggested he contact Ed since he tunes opensource.
I believe Ed did a decent job with the tune and the price was very fair.
What I don't really understand is why do a boost leak test after I already fixed the boost leak and went through the whole thing? Just seems excessive to me. That jacked up his price quite a lot for little/no results.
The compression/leakdown test I was urging silas to do since I personally didn't know what kinda condition his internals were in. I could have done it myself for much cheaper but didn't know if Ed would trust my numbers and probably want to do it himself. So that jacked up the price too.
Again there is no conclusive results there: there is a SUSPECTED ringland failure/cracking but not nearly enough data to say FOR SURE. There is a variation between comression #'s, but they are within 10-15% from the numbers I was INFORMED OF.
Please don't take this the wrong way Ed or Paul. I'm not trying to get in the middle of anything and simply stating my point of view on this issue and what I know.
Not saying anything against anyone
I went through all the other couplers and pressurised areas and couldn't find anything else. So there was no boost leak. The maf could have been messed up but I cleaned it and not having a spare or wanting to buy one not knowing 100% that the original is faulty we left it as is.
Silas really wanted me to tune the car. I had issues connecting to his ecu for whatever reason and could LOG his car just fine, but couldn't FLASH it. Told him I can't tune it and suggested he contact Ed since he tunes opensource.
I believe Ed did a decent job with the tune and the price was very fair.
What I don't really understand is why do a boost leak test after I already fixed the boost leak and went through the whole thing? Just seems excessive to me. That jacked up his price quite a lot for little/no results.
The compression/leakdown test I was urging silas to do since I personally didn't know what kinda condition his internals were in. I could have done it myself for much cheaper but didn't know if Ed would trust my numbers and probably want to do it himself. So that jacked up the price too.
Again there is no conclusive results there: there is a SUSPECTED ringland failure/cracking but not nearly enough data to say FOR SURE. There is a variation between comression #'s, but they are within 10-15% from the numbers I was INFORMED OF.
Please don't take this the wrong way Ed or Paul. I'm not trying to get in the middle of anything and simply stating my point of view on this issue and what I know.
Not saying anything against anyone
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I went through silas car and found a vacuum leak at the stock bcs. We replaced it with a hallman mbc and fixed the vacuum leak.
I went through all the other couplers and pressurised areas and couldn't find anything else. So there was no boost leak. The maf could have been messed up but I cleaned it and not having a spare or wanting to buy one not knowing 100% that the original is faulty we left it as is.
Silas really wanted me to tune the car. I had issues connecting to his ecu for whatever reason and could LOG his car just fine, but couldn't FLASH it. Told him I can't tune it and suggested he contact Ed since he tunes opensource.
I believe Ed did a decent job with the tune and the price was very fair.
What I don't really understand is why do a boost leak test after I already fixed the boost leak and went through the whole thing? Just seems excessive to me. That jacked up his price quite a lot for little/no results.
The compression/leakdown test I was urging silas to do since I personally didn't know what kinda condition his internals were in. I could have done it myself for much cheaper but didn't know if Ed would trust my numbers and probably want to do it himself. So that jacked up the price too.
Again there is no conclusive results there: there is a SUSPECTED ringland failure/cracking but not nearly enough data to say FOR SURE. There is a variation between comression #'s, but they are within 10-15% from the numbers I was INFORMED OF.
Please don't take this the wrong way Ed or Paul. I'm not trying to get in the middle of anything and simply stating my point of view on this issue and what I know.
Not saying anything against anyone
I went through all the other couplers and pressurised areas and couldn't find anything else. So there was no boost leak. The maf could have been messed up but I cleaned it and not having a spare or wanting to buy one not knowing 100% that the original is faulty we left it as is.
Silas really wanted me to tune the car. I had issues connecting to his ecu for whatever reason and could LOG his car just fine, but couldn't FLASH it. Told him I can't tune it and suggested he contact Ed since he tunes opensource.
I believe Ed did a decent job with the tune and the price was very fair.
What I don't really understand is why do a boost leak test after I already fixed the boost leak and went through the whole thing? Just seems excessive to me. That jacked up his price quite a lot for little/no results.
The compression/leakdown test I was urging silas to do since I personally didn't know what kinda condition his internals were in. I could have done it myself for much cheaper but didn't know if Ed would trust my numbers and probably want to do it himself. So that jacked up the price too.
Again there is no conclusive results there: there is a SUSPECTED ringland failure/cracking but not nearly enough data to say FOR SURE. There is a variation between comression #'s, but they are within 10-15% from the numbers I was INFORMED OF.
Please don't take this the wrong way Ed or Paul. I'm not trying to get in the middle of anything and simply stating my point of view on this issue and what I know.
Not saying anything against anyone
I was not aware that you guys went through to check for leaks. You did a good job because I don't believe we found any significant leaks when we checked. FYI, about 90% of the cars we test do have significant leaks that throw off the tune. Considering the airflow/fueling issues the car was experiencing, we considered it prudent to make sure a leak was not the root cause before exploring more expensive options. Often times people go through clamps and tighten things down, but end up missing a small hose or line that only becomes evident once you pressurize the system. Again, nothing against your work at all, a leak is just at the top of the list when a car comes in with these symptoms.
Silas also had very little information on the history of the car/engine, so a compression test was a wise decision on his part. We did the comp test and the main numbers of concern were 181psi on #2 and 165psi on #4. The 181psi is way too high which likely means that this hybrid motor was put together with factory head gaskets, greatly raising the compression ratio. Compared to that cylinder, #4 was reading about 10% or 16psi lower. The factory spec says the highest/lowest cylinders should be within 7psi of each other. So while the numbers are not horrible and the overall compression is still relatively high, the 16psi variance signals a potential problem. A cracked ringland was only one of the possibilities. An issue with the head gasket, valves, or possibly valve lash settings could be other potential causes. Either way, it is something that we recommended Silas address before going for a complete tune and beating on the car.
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175 sounds like about half price of a custom tune. From experience, Ed spends as long as it takes to where the customer is most satisfied with the tune. We did (32 was it Ed???) many revisions to my last tune before calling it a day. Point is.....If I had zero money to fix an issue with my motor and needed to prolong the life of it, 175 is chump change to make that happen. So back on topic...
Looking for an open source tuner? I know one in Fairfield. His name is Ed. He owns a shop called EQ tuning. I've tuned with him a few times. I have much respect for him and his shop. All of his guys have continued to take care of my mechanical needs promptly during upgrades, maintenance, and when preparing for a tune. After the prep, Ed shows how he is a perfectionist in his tuning ability. Check out Ed's vendor review history to get a better idea of the Open Source tune experience.
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Looking for an open source tuner? I know one in Fairfield. His name is Ed. He owns a shop called EQ tuning. I've tuned with him a few times. I have much respect for him and his shop. All of his guys have continued to take care of my mechanical needs promptly during upgrades, maintenance, and when preparing for a tune. After the prep, Ed shows how he is a perfectionist in his tuning ability. Check out Ed's vendor review history to get a better idea of the Open Source tune experience.
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So, Silas has a broken car and no money.
Ed knows there's a problem, but doesn't know what the problem is.
Ed tunes the car, takes what money the guy has, says "the car is no longer damaging itself further!" even though he doesn't know what the problem is.
Ed knows there's a problem, but doesn't know what the problem is.
Ed tunes the car, takes what money the guy has, says "the car is no longer damaging itself further!" even though he doesn't know what the problem is.
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Vlad,
I was not aware that you guys went through to check for leaks. You did a good job because I don't believe we found any significant leaks when we checked. FYI, about 90% of the cars we test do have significant leaks that throw off the tune. Considering the airflow/fueling issues the car was experiencing, we considered it prudent to make sure a leak was not the root cause before exploring more expensive options. Often times people go through clamps and tighten things down, but end up missing a small hose or line that only becomes evident once you pressurize the system. Again, nothing against your work at all, a leak is just at the top of the list when a car comes in with these symptoms.
Silas also had very little information on the history of the car/engine, so a compression test was a wise decision on his part. We did the comp test and the main numbers of concern were 181psi on #2 and 165psi on #4. The 181psi is way too high which likely means that this hybrid motor was put together with factory head gaskets, greatly raising the compression ratio. Compared to that cylinder, #4 was reading about 10% or 16psi lower. The factory spec says the highest/lowest cylinders should be within 7psi of each other. So while the numbers are not horrible and the overall compression is still relatively high, the 16psi variance signals a potential problem. A cracked ringland was only one of the possibilities. An issue with the head gasket, valves, or possibly valve lash settings could be other potential causes. Either way, it is something that we recommended Silas address before going for a complete tune and beating on the car.
Thanks
-- Ed
I was not aware that you guys went through to check for leaks. You did a good job because I don't believe we found any significant leaks when we checked. FYI, about 90% of the cars we test do have significant leaks that throw off the tune. Considering the airflow/fueling issues the car was experiencing, we considered it prudent to make sure a leak was not the root cause before exploring more expensive options. Often times people go through clamps and tighten things down, but end up missing a small hose or line that only becomes evident once you pressurize the system. Again, nothing against your work at all, a leak is just at the top of the list when a car comes in with these symptoms.
Silas also had very little information on the history of the car/engine, so a compression test was a wise decision on his part. We did the comp test and the main numbers of concern were 181psi on #2 and 165psi on #4. The 181psi is way too high which likely means that this hybrid motor was put together with factory head gaskets, greatly raising the compression ratio. Compared to that cylinder, #4 was reading about 10% or 16psi lower. The factory spec says the highest/lowest cylinders should be within 7psi of each other. So while the numbers are not horrible and the overall compression is still relatively high, the 16psi variance signals a potential problem. A cracked ringland was only one of the possibilities. An issue with the head gasket, valves, or possibly valve lash settings could be other potential causes. Either way, it is something that we recommended Silas address before going for a complete tune and beating on the car.
Thanks
-- Ed
That is actually EXACTLY what I told him a few days ago: its not ideal, but I highly doubt the motor is "on its way out" judging by those comp numbers.
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What would YOU have done in Eds place?
Don't get me wrong, the situation is ****ty and there is no "easy way out", so I get where you're coming from. But is there a better solution than to at least help the motor not self destruct for a length of time til Silas can afford a proper build?
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