WRC Racing Costs
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WRC Racing Costs
Ok Im new here and have always been into offroading as I explained before (organizations such as S.C.O.R.E, MDR, BITD, MORE) anyways I have always been into WRC and ralley cars as well, but never looked into it. Im not sayin I plan on doin it, But would really like to know the cost to race competitivly. Im guessing thats like the top class do they even have classes? anyways things such as:
Cost of Vehical prepped and ready to go( top of the top)-
Cost of Entrance fee-
do they have Pit support-
cost of preping the vehical after a race(do they even use the same car race after race or do they just start over wiht a new one-
I know in the desert racing industry the truck is really not even the most expensive part of racing. Top Class 1 teams and TT teams spend up to 300k on the trucks and $25,000 a race just to go through the whole truck and prep it (bushings, heims, electrical, rear end work, shock work, grade 8 hardware) to make the truck competitive. I assume that the serious ralley race teams probably have alot of factory support, as to where the desert trucks are build pretty much from scratch. It would be very interesting to compare the 2 extremes.
here a link to what the different costs are to prep different Classes.
http://www.desertrides.com/reference/racing_classes.php
Cost of Vehical prepped and ready to go( top of the top)-
Cost of Entrance fee-
do they have Pit support-
cost of preping the vehical after a race(do they even use the same car race after race or do they just start over wiht a new one-
I know in the desert racing industry the truck is really not even the most expensive part of racing. Top Class 1 teams and TT teams spend up to 300k on the trucks and $25,000 a race just to go through the whole truck and prep it (bushings, heims, electrical, rear end work, shock work, grade 8 hardware) to make the truck competitive. I assume that the serious ralley race teams probably have alot of factory support, as to where the desert trucks are build pretty much from scratch. It would be very interesting to compare the 2 extremes.
here a link to what the different costs are to prep different Classes.
http://www.desertrides.com/reference/racing_classes.php
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Maybe you should look into autocrossing rather than full on rally.
From my understanding full on rally is damn expensive but at least its broken down by class.
Other auto crossers opinions would be nice too fellas. :P
From my understanding full on rally is damn expensive but at least its broken down by class.
Other auto crossers opinions would be nice too fellas. :P
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I'm not really looking into it unless it was say affordable in my future. which who knows i have dreams of racing Pro Trucks which are damn expenseive. all my dreams are "damn expensive" why not have another...haha but i just wanted to compare the 2. specially on the if they use the same car race after race or do they have a bunch of cars lined up?
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Cost of Vehical prepped and ready to go( top of the top)-
Cost of Vehical prepped and ready to go( top of the top)-
According to one person who replied to the above site, costs to build the Impreza WRC car in 2003 was ~$500,000 U.S. but this does not take into account the cost of research and development. The five factory-sponsored teams spend enormous amounts of time and money on aerodynamics and engine management that allow the engine characteristics to put the power down most effectively through active differentials and semi-automatic gearboxes that are similar in function to F1 cars.
Engine development alone is a daunting task because this class is limited to 2.0 liters of displacement and a single turbocharger while breathing through the FIA-mandated 34mm restrictor. This means that while the engine output is less than 350 hp, engine torque is maximized with at least 450 lbs ft (or ft lbs) to provide a broad power band for ferocious acceleration.
Sport Compact Car Magazine article on current season World Rally Cars and synopsis on changes made to improve the breed.
I'm sorry I don't have a dollar amount that it costs these factory-backed teams to run their operations but I think it might be on par with a a current Champcar team. Definitely more than IRL but less than F1. The WRC are similar to F1 in terms of technology but the emphasis is on cars that must resemble their roadgoing counterparts.
It's very difficult for privateer teams to finish in the points against the ten factory-sponsored cars.
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thanks a bunch I figured it was somewhere in that range. with all the research on aero dynamics and so on does that in return mean that a person off the street I.E me couldnt find somewhere to purchase lips, hoods, and so on that are the same as what the sponsered teams use? or are they not distributed. are there COmpanies that sale similar body parts if theirs are not distributed This might be a stupid question. but i love the look of that which goes on the Subaru sponsered cars compared to alot of the ricier looking body kits.
once again. i think i have found a new home...thanks for all the awnsers to my questions.
once again. i think i have found a new home...thanks for all the awnsers to my questions.
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My understanding is that the Subaru World Rally Team (SWRT) does sell their old cars from time to time but that doesn't include technical support and they probably do remove the proprietary engine management stuff. I wish I could remember where I saw this but I think it was in a older issue of Sport Compact Car Magazine. The cost is still well into six figures, though. These cars from previous seasons are what the privateer teams usually use to compete in the top classes because there's no way they could afford the budgets of the factory-backed teams.
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Companies like Prodrive (which runs Subaru's World Rally Team) and M-Sport (which runs Ford's World Rally team) tend to keep a lid on the newest and hottest parts for at least a year. All the aero packages don't usually get on the market until a used car is available to the public.
The WRC is very expensive to get in to. Besides the cars (which are fairly expensive) you have to cart your car all over the world. Bring your own pit crew. Bring your own tires. Manufacturers are pretty tight lipped on how much they spend, so its really hard to get a bearing on how much they spend, but I'd guess its between 7 and 8 figures for a full season. Privateers pay less, but they also aren't as competitive unless backed by a well funded race shop.
More economical would be the US championship. There are plenty of people here that could possibly give you an answer. Its much cheaper since you won't have to freight your car and crew overseas.
The WRC is very expensive to get in to. Besides the cars (which are fairly expensive) you have to cart your car all over the world. Bring your own pit crew. Bring your own tires. Manufacturers are pretty tight lipped on how much they spend, so its really hard to get a bearing on how much they spend, but I'd guess its between 7 and 8 figures for a full season. Privateers pay less, but they also aren't as competitive unless backed by a well funded race shop.
More economical would be the US championship. There are plenty of people here that could possibly give you an answer. Its much cheaper since you won't have to freight your car and crew overseas.
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I remember seeing cost comparisons a few years ago between the major racing series, and if I recall correctly WRC was right up there in second place or so behind F-1 but on par with Champ Cars and the other most expensive formats.
I'm pretty sure that only F1 beats WRC in terms of cost to field a competative team through the seaon.
I'm pretty sure that only F1 beats WRC in terms of cost to field a competative team through the seaon.
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In terms of US rallying, I've spent ~10k on car prep (on top of the cost of the car), and events end up costing about 1k per event (between entry fees, fuel, tires, crew costs, etc). You will have to get a couple of folks to crew for you, as there is simply not time during service breaks to both take care of the car (refuel, clean windows, fix damage) *and* yourself (bathroom, food, water). If you want to get started in rallying, get a truck and trailer first, then go over to www.rallyclassified.com and buy a group2 golf. They are tough and as cheap as they come, both to buy and to run. Don't build your first car, since you're going to have a steep learning curve as to what makes up a good rally car, in addition to having enough to learn with the time controls, driving skills, and learning the logistics of running rallies.
that's my advice, anyway.
that's my advice, anyway.
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SCCA ClubRally is affordable fun
You can spend as little as $3K and as much as about $160K for a typical, competitive car in ClubRally and NASA rallying (of course someone will come up with some extreme example of an $800 car or a $300K one...) A typical OPEN class car fully capable of winning overall usually costs $30K-$60K, but a G5 winning car may be only $7K-15K.
Entry fees ($250-500) and tires (~$100-@180 ea) are big expenses along with hotels and travel of course. A series like the Western States Rally Championship will minimize the travel and allow to compete for a series title beyond an SCCA Divisional trophy. Plan on breaking a few parts along the way too.
There are cheaper forms of racing, but none gives the sheer thrill of rally and pitching a car into a beautiful slide on a long gravel bend.
Visit RACE NEWS at www.get-primitive.com for several years of stories on what happens at Pro and Club Rally events...
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Entry fees ($250-500) and tires (~$100-@180 ea) are big expenses along with hotels and travel of course. A series like the Western States Rally Championship will minimize the travel and allow to compete for a series title beyond an SCCA Divisional trophy. Plan on breaking a few parts along the way too.
There are cheaper forms of racing, but none gives the sheer thrill of rally and pitching a car into a beautiful slide on a long gravel bend.
Visit RACE NEWS at www.get-primitive.com for several years of stories on what happens at Pro and Club Rally events...
Pe
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