Rough Idle 2002 Legacy GT
Hi Everyone,
I have a 2002 Legacy GT with just over 60K. Here's what I'm getting. After the car has warmed up, the idle will drop to about 250-300 rpm. When I drive it around for a while and come to a stop, it will do one of two things... It will idle at about 750-800 rpm and then drop down to 250-300 rpm or it will drop bwlow 250 rpm or stall all together.
The Check engine light has come on and the dealer has had the car in the shop while the CEL was on. The dealer has replaced two Idle Air Control Valve's and still doing the same thing.
Any help on this would be great!
Thanks!
I have a 2002 Legacy GT with just over 60K. Here's what I'm getting. After the car has warmed up, the idle will drop to about 250-300 rpm. When I drive it around for a while and come to a stop, it will do one of two things... It will idle at about 750-800 rpm and then drop down to 250-300 rpm or it will drop bwlow 250 rpm or stall all together.
The Check engine light has come on and the dealer has had the car in the shop while the CEL was on. The dealer has replaced two Idle Air Control Valve's and still doing the same thing.
Any help on this would be great!
Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Stormy
Hi Everyone,
I have a 2002 Legacy GT with just over 60K. Here's what I'm getting. After the car has warmed up, the idle will drop to about 250-300 rpm. When I drive it around for a while and come to a stop, it will do one of two things... It will idle at about 750-800 rpm and then drop down to 250-300 rpm or it will drop bwlow 250 rpm or stall all together.
The Check engine light has come on and the dealer has had the car in the shop while the CEL was on. The dealer has replaced two Idle Air Control Valve's and still doing the same thing.
Any help on this would be great!
Thanks!
I have a 2002 Legacy GT with just over 60K. Here's what I'm getting. After the car has warmed up, the idle will drop to about 250-300 rpm. When I drive it around for a while and come to a stop, it will do one of two things... It will idle at about 750-800 rpm and then drop down to 250-300 rpm or it will drop bwlow 250 rpm or stall all together.
The Check engine light has come on and the dealer has had the car in the shop while the CEL was on. The dealer has replaced two Idle Air Control Valve's and still doing the same thing.
Any help on this would be great!
Thanks!
A quick update. I test drove the car with the head tech and he said everthing seems normal. When I got home last night, CEL came on. This morning they said that it has a bad tranny sensor of some sort (don't remember exactly what he said). The car is still stalling and idling low.
The saga continues....
The saga continues....
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Originally Posted by Stormy
I have owned the car since 4/1 and its been at the dealer for a total of 9 days.
You should make sure that car wasn't "lemon-law'd"
I did do a carfax and it came up "clean". God, I pray it's not a lemon. Thats the last thing I need. New Hampshire doesn't have any lemon law for used vehicles past the mfg's warrenty.
The current error code is P0420. The dealer said they replaced the converters but after looking under the car, i saw that they didn't.
Also, after they said they fixed it, they slapped an inspection sticker on it that they owed me. My state does OBDII testing. My guess is that they cleared the error and then tested it. As far as the sticker goes, it that legal what they did? My guess is not at all.
I'm getting screwed here....
Also, after they said they fixed it, they slapped an inspection sticker on it that they owed me. My state does OBDII testing. My guess is that they cleared the error and then tested it. As far as the sticker goes, it that legal what they did? My guess is not at all.
I'm getting screwed here....
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Tell them you want your damn converters if they put them on the bill. I'd find another dealer if it came from that one and they have been through all this before then they're just going to keep running you in circles. 60,000 is kind of early but it could be something simple like spark plugs. at 100,000 my mom's 99 LGT would start to sputter and stall when taking off, turns out it was just bad plugs and the ECU thought it was knocking so it retarded the timing and caused it to stall. I would try the simple things first. fuel filter, plugs, wires, etc.
Over the past week or so I noticed a hesitation when first starting from a stop. They installed the converters on Friday and they said it was running great. Drove it home and didn't fix the low idle or the hesitation.
I haven't had to pay for any of the service so far. The dealer said that none of the things that they are fixing are covered under thier warrenty. They said they are fixing it out of a morral obligation... This has been one HUGE PITA!
I haven't had to pay for any of the service so far. The dealer said that none of the things that they are fixing are covered under thier warrenty. They said they are fixing it out of a morral obligation... This has been one HUGE PITA!
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Something doesn't sound up to snuff here. If you have had it in the shop for that long and the problem isn't fixed... Have you paid these guys yet? If so, how much? Also, the only time I see things like this happen it's usually because the person with the problem is young, female, knows little about cars and advertises it; or all of the above. It's hard, but you HAVE to stay on people and leave them VERY little room to bull**** you. Take a couple of hours and check a few groups and do a lot of research on what the problem could be. Talk about that from the git go and ALWAYS request to see the parts they replaced. If there's no core charge, keep it and reference it.
I'm sorry to hear you are having these problems, but it sounds like the shop you're using doesn't know dick about Subie's.
I lucked out. My friends dad has a performance shop 10 mins. from my place so I can throw it on a lift on the weekends. The mechanics are Subie experienced (One of which worked for a Subie dealership for 8 years until 2003). They did the pre-purchase inspection for free and filled me in on some good info, common problems, that helped me deal on my 99 Legacy Limited. If in the Denver Metro area I'd be happy to give you their name.
As for your problem... Like others said, sounds more like IAC. The other option, and wildcard which NOBODY wants to diagnose, is Vacuum system and hoses.
Kinda makes you long for pre-cpu vehicles huh? j/k.
Good luck.
I'm sorry to hear you are having these problems, but it sounds like the shop you're using doesn't know dick about Subie's.
I lucked out. My friends dad has a performance shop 10 mins. from my place so I can throw it on a lift on the weekends. The mechanics are Subie experienced (One of which worked for a Subie dealership for 8 years until 2003). They did the pre-purchase inspection for free and filled me in on some good info, common problems, that helped me deal on my 99 Legacy Limited. If in the Denver Metro area I'd be happy to give you their name.
As for your problem... Like others said, sounds more like IAC. The other option, and wildcard which NOBODY wants to diagnose, is Vacuum system and hoses.
Kinda makes you long for pre-cpu vehicles huh? j/k.
Good luck.
More detailed discription of whats happening...
I've been having intermitant low idle problems. I can reproduce the issue. Here's what I'm getting.
If I'm driving at about 45mph, put the clutch in and leave it in gear and come to a stop, the RPM's go down to 650~ and stay there (or if I wait about 10 seconds rpm's will drop). If I put the shifter in neutral when stopped, the RPM's will drop down to 350~ and the car will struggle to stay running.
Things that I have done:
Fuel filter, air filter, PCV valve, plugs, wires, cleaned the TB, AIC, cats, Sea Foam cleaning with very little positive affect.
What is strange is that it almost always happenes in neutral, and rarely happenes when I come to a stop in gear. One more thing... When I warm the car up in the morning in neutral, it goes through it's normal higher RPM cycle. As the engine gets warmer, the RPM's slowly drop down to the 350~ mark.
Would faulty neutral position switch have anything at all to do with this???
One other thing... On my ride home from work the other nihgt I tried a few more things.
1. If I take the car out of any gear while moving and put it in neutral, the RPM's drop. If I shift back into gear (any gear for that matter) The RPM's go back to normal.
2. This is not the case when I'm stopped.
So as long as I'm moving above a rolling speed (2-3 MPH) the RPM's will return to ~650 when put back into any gear. When stopped, even in gear, the RPM's drop to ~350
I'm stumped...
If I'm driving at about 45mph, put the clutch in and leave it in gear and come to a stop, the RPM's go down to 650~ and stay there (or if I wait about 10 seconds rpm's will drop). If I put the shifter in neutral when stopped, the RPM's will drop down to 350~ and the car will struggle to stay running.
Things that I have done:
Fuel filter, air filter, PCV valve, plugs, wires, cleaned the TB, AIC, cats, Sea Foam cleaning with very little positive affect.
What is strange is that it almost always happenes in neutral, and rarely happenes when I come to a stop in gear. One more thing... When I warm the car up in the morning in neutral, it goes through it's normal higher RPM cycle. As the engine gets warmer, the RPM's slowly drop down to the 350~ mark.
Would faulty neutral position switch have anything at all to do with this???
One other thing... On my ride home from work the other nihgt I tried a few more things.
1. If I take the car out of any gear while moving and put it in neutral, the RPM's drop. If I shift back into gear (any gear for that matter) The RPM's go back to normal.
2. This is not the case when I'm stopped.
So as long as I'm moving above a rolling speed (2-3 MPH) the RPM's will return to ~650 when put back into any gear. When stopped, even in gear, the RPM's drop to ~350
I'm stumped...
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