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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 03:12 PM
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Unhappy Rough Idle 2002 Legacy GT

Hi Everyone,

I have a 2002 Legacy GT with just over 60K. Here's what I'm getting. After the car has warmed up, the idle will drop to about 250-300 rpm. When I drive it around for a while and come to a stop, it will do one of two things... It will idle at about 750-800 rpm and then drop down to 250-300 rpm or it will drop bwlow 250 rpm or stall all together.

The Check engine light has come on and the dealer has had the car in the shop while the CEL was on. The dealer has replaced two Idle Air Control Valve's and still doing the same thing.

Any help on this would be great!



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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 08:41 PM
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Does it bog the whole car and shake it? Might be a cylinder miss firing.

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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Stormy
Hi Everyone,
I have a 2002 Legacy GT with just over 60K. Here's what I'm getting. After the car has warmed up, the idle will drop to about 250-300 rpm. When I drive it around for a while and come to a stop, it will do one of two things... It will idle at about 750-800 rpm and then drop down to 250-300 rpm or it will drop bwlow 250 rpm or stall all together.
The Check engine light has come on and the dealer has had the car in the shop while the CEL was on. The dealer has replaced two Idle Air Control Valve's and still doing the same thing.
Any help on this would be great!
Thanks!
Hmmm, IAC valve is usually the culprit here. Are you still getting a CEL? You may want to check the code for yourself... maybe they got lazy and its indicating something else like TPS, MAP, stuck EGR.... or something....
Old Apr 15, 2005 | 07:52 AM
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A quick update. I test drove the car with the head tech and he said everthing seems normal. When I got home last night, CEL came on. This morning they said that it has a bad tranny sensor of some sort (don't remember exactly what he said). The car is still stalling and idling low.

The saga continues....
Old Apr 15, 2005 | 07:55 AM
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I have owned the car since 4/1 and its been at the dealer for a total of 9 days.
Old Apr 15, 2005 | 11:30 AM
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I have owned the car since 4/1 and its been at the dealer for a total of 9 days.
Maybe the trans sensor has been the problem all along. That's probably why the previous owner traded it in in the first place.

You should make sure that car wasn't "lemon-law'd"
Old Apr 18, 2005 | 07:21 AM
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I did do a carfax and it came up "clean". God, I pray it's not a lemon. Thats the last thing I need. New Hampshire doesn't have any lemon law for used vehicles past the mfg's warrenty.
Old Apr 18, 2005 | 07:57 AM
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Ah.. no worries. One you get it figured out you'll be a happy camper... Let us know how it goes!
Old Apr 23, 2005 | 09:19 AM
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The current error code is P0420. The dealer said they replaced the converters but after looking under the car, i saw that they didn't.

Also, after they said they fixed it, they slapped an inspection sticker on it that they owed me. My state does OBDII testing. My guess is that they cleared the error and then tested it. As far as the sticker goes, it that legal what they did? My guess is not at all.

I'm getting screwed here....
Old May 2, 2005 | 08:15 AM
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Over the past week or so I noticed a hesitation when first starting from a stop. They installed the converters on Friday and they said it was running great. Drove it home and didn't fix the low idle or the hesitation.

I haven't had to pay for any of the service so far. The dealer said that none of the things that they are fixing are covered under thier warrenty. They said they are fixing it out of a morral obligation... This has been one HUGE PITA!
Old May 18, 2005 | 09:38 AM
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More detailed discription of whats happening...

I've been having intermitant low idle problems. I can reproduce the issue. Here's what I'm getting.

If I'm driving at about 45mph, put the clutch in and leave it in gear and come to a stop, the RPM's go down to 650~ and stay there (or if I wait about 10 seconds rpm's will drop). If I put the shifter in neutral when stopped, the RPM's will drop down to 350~ and the car will struggle to stay running.

Things that I have done:
Fuel filter, air filter, PCV valve, plugs, wires, cleaned the TB, AIC, cats, Sea Foam cleaning with very little positive affect.

What is strange is that it almost always happenes in neutral, and rarely happenes when I come to a stop in gear. One more thing... When I warm the car up in the morning in neutral, it goes through it's normal higher RPM cycle. As the engine gets warmer, the RPM's slowly drop down to the 350~ mark.

Would faulty neutral position switch have anything at all to do with this???

One other thing... On my ride home from work the other nihgt I tried a few more things.

1. If I take the car out of any gear while moving and put it in neutral, the RPM's drop. If I shift back into gear (any gear for that matter) The RPM's go back to normal.

2. This is not the case when I'm stopped.

So as long as I'm moving above a rolling speed (2-3 MPH) the RPM's will return to ~650 when put back into any gear. When stopped, even in gear, the RPM's drop to ~350

I'm stumped...
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