For those with an upgraded turbo on their STI..
For those with an upgraded turbo on their STI..
Was it worth it? I have the usual TBE, FP, Intake and tune on my 05 STI and am looking for a bit more. I would like to retain the early spool characteristics of the stock turbo but just much more top end ( I know, cake and eat it too!)
I am looking at the Deadbolt TD06 20G. Anyone have real world experience with this turbo? With Deadbolt Enterprises? Can anyone tell me the benefits of oil AND water cooled as opposed to just oil cooled?
Of course I plan to do all the supporting mods: injectors, ebc, upgraded top mount, etc.
Any insights would be helpful and appreciated.
Thanks ,Darren.
I am looking at the Deadbolt TD06 20G. Anyone have real world experience with this turbo? With Deadbolt Enterprises? Can anyone tell me the benefits of oil AND water cooled as opposed to just oil cooled?
Of course I plan to do all the supporting mods: injectors, ebc, upgraded top mount, etc.
Any insights would be helpful and appreciated.
Thanks ,Darren.
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TD06 20G going to be much more "laggy" than the stocker, your best bet would be a ball bearing Garret of moderate size. Correct me if I'm wrong but, oil and water cooled turbos are pretty much the norm in OEM applications, an "oil cooled" only turbo just means that its not "water cooled" seeing as all turbos need to be oil lubricated.
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"oil cooled" means there's only oil to lubricate the turbo. "water cooled" means there is oil to lubricate it and water to cool things down. with a water cooled turbo, you don't need a turbo timer whose sole purpose in life is to run the engine a bit after you shut the car down to cool down the oil so it doesn't cool too rapidly and gunk up.
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Originally Posted by deyes
TD06 20G going to be much more "laggy" than the stocker, your best bet would be a ball bearing Garret of moderate size. Correct me if I'm wrong but, oil and water cooled turbos are pretty much the norm in OEM applications, an "oil cooled" only turbo just means that its not "water cooled" seeing as all turbos need to be oil lubricated.
Originally Posted by burnin4
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20g dyno with tmic ran 12.40 at 114mph with 1.76 60ft, stock wheels and tires...http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...in4/Austin.jpg
SZ49 with fmic...12.2 at 113mph with a 1.67 60ft and 18inch enkei's...http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...4/SZ49dyno.jpg
my only trip to the qtr with the 20g my stock clutch lasted 3-4 pass's and slipped every time in 5th gear. I believe the 20g is a high 11 sec turbo if driven properly, with the right launch and a clutch that holds. My only trip to the qtr with the sz49 I was having issues up top with timing, I ran 92mph in the 1/8 at 7.8 (4mph higher than 20g), but only hit 113mph which was 1mph slower than the 20g
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Both are great turbos, the 20g will hang with the sz49 from a launch, but the sz49 will eventually walk away up top or from a roll. I've enjoyed both, and I plan on enjoying the sz55 in the near future
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20g dyno with tmic ran 12.40 at 114mph with 1.76 60ft, stock wheels and tires...http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...in4/Austin.jpg
SZ49 with fmic...12.2 at 113mph with a 1.67 60ft and 18inch enkei's...http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...4/SZ49dyno.jpg
my only trip to the qtr with the 20g my stock clutch lasted 3-4 pass's and slipped every time in 5th gear. I believe the 20g is a high 11 sec turbo if driven properly, with the right launch and a clutch that holds. My only trip to the qtr with the sz49 I was having issues up top with timing, I ran 92mph in the 1/8 at 7.8 (4mph higher than 20g), but only hit 113mph which was 1mph slower than the 20g
. Both are great turbos, the 20g will hang with the sz49 from a launch, but the sz49 will eventually walk away up top or from a roll. I've enjoyed both, and I plan on enjoying the sz55 in the near future
.http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=828134
I myself will probably go with a "laggier" turbo come spring. Currently i want an internally gated deadbolt sz55 with the supporting mods... Using this guy's car as a reference
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=826339
Originally Posted by davisSTI
Was it worth it? I have the usual TBE, FP, Intake and tune on my 05 STI and am looking for a bit more. I would like to retain the early spool characteristics of the stock turbo but just much more top end ( I know, cake and eat it too!)
I am looking at the Deadbolt TD06 20G. Anyone have real world experience with this turbo? With Deadbolt Enterprises? Can anyone tell me the benefits of oil AND water cooled as opposed to just oil cooled?
Of course I plan to do all the supporting mods: injectors, ebc, upgraded top mount, etc.
Any insights would be helpful and appreciated.
Thanks ,Darren.
I am looking at the Deadbolt TD06 20G. Anyone have real world experience with this turbo? With Deadbolt Enterprises? Can anyone tell me the benefits of oil AND water cooled as opposed to just oil cooled?
Of course I plan to do all the supporting mods: injectors, ebc, upgraded top mount, etc.
Any insights would be helpful and appreciated.
Thanks ,Darren.
The only short fall of the "smaller" turbos like the gren or sz49 is they tend to drop off in power after 6000 rpm due to their size.
If yoy desire true top end you have to give up a little spool...@ that point a RED or SZ55 would work well...or you can upgrade to rotated setup
I myself had a green and the car went pretty fast on just a TBE and race gas tune with no other power mods.
Originally Posted by T-Will
Quick question, does nawz help with the low-end or top-end?
Normaly the turbos that require NOS for spool are very LARGE units...say GT40/GT42's which on a well tuned and built car can make over 600WHP.
I suppose you can use NOS for top end power...but i haven't seen many Subbys do it....IMHO you would be far better running meth/alky injection rather then NOS in most cases on the street.
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Turbo Upgrade for '04 wagon
I have an '04 wagon. What type of turbo upgrade would be good for autocross and the occaisional track day?
I've done the TBE, tune, etc. and would of course, upgrade the injectors and fuel pump with any turbo upgrade.
Would something like a TD05-16G or Super 16G work for this type of application?
I've done the TBE, tune, etc. and would of course, upgrade the injectors and fuel pump with any turbo upgrade.
Would something like a TD05-16G or Super 16G work for this type of application?
Originally Posted by biznessdude
I have an '04 wagon. What type of turbo upgrade would be good for autocross and the occaisional track day?
I've done the TBE, tune, etc. and would of course, upgrade the injectors and fuel pump with any turbo upgrade.
Would something like a TD05-16G or Super 16G work for this type of application?
I've done the TBE, tune, etc. and would of course, upgrade the injectors and fuel pump with any turbo upgrade.
Would something like a TD05-16G or Super 16G work for this type of application?
Or maybe a vf39/34 if you want to spend less $$$.
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How would the SZ55 do compared to lets say....a PE1820 on a 2.0L? (power, spool, ect...) I ran an 1820 on a stock 2.0L motor before and loved it...I am looking for some better options. I already have an Sti 6 speed (so the tranny issue is covered)...would I HAVE to upgrade the internals of the motor to really enjoy the SZ55?
I am just trying to figure out if I want to spend the $$$ on a 2.5L or If I can get some good power from my 2.0L. and be happy with that.
Any info would help
TIA
-freddie
I am just trying to figure out if I want to spend the $$$ on a 2.5L or If I can get some good power from my 2.0L. and be happy with that.
Any info would help
TIA
-freddie
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Originally Posted by 1WRX2NV
How would the SZ55 do compared to lets say....a PE1820 on a 2.0L? (power, spool, ect...) I ran an 1820 on a stock 2.0L motor before and loved it...I am looking for some better options. I already have an Sti 6 speed (so the tranny issue is covered)...would I HAVE to upgrade the internals of the motor to really enjoy the SZ55?
I am just trying to figure out if I want to spend the $$$ on a 2.5L or If I can get some good power from my 2.0L. and be happy with that.
Any info would help
TIA
-freddie
I am just trying to figure out if I want to spend the $$$ on a 2.5L or If I can get some good power from my 2.0L. and be happy with that.
Any info would help
TIA
-freddie
I am putting 360 whp to the ground with my STI gearbox and have seen other trannys hold 550 over a long period of time.
Originally Posted by depdivr
On the 2.0 L you have to be careful how much power you are putting though the 5 speed tranny. Its no where near as bullet proof as the 6 speed. I consider it risky to put more than 300 whp through the WRX 5 speed.
I am putting 360 whp to the ground with my STI gearbox and have seen other trannys hold 550 over a long period of time.
I am putting 360 whp to the ground with my STI gearbox and have seen other trannys hold 550 over a long period of time.
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you can theoretically get more power from the 2.0l but that would require much more tuning and possibly a whole new set of internals.
just remember theres no replacement for displacement 2.5 l can spool larger turbos and they have more pre-boost torque then the 2.0l motors it would be much more cost effective to buy an EJ25
just remember theres no replacement for displacement 2.5 l can spool larger turbos and they have more pre-boost torque then the 2.0l motors it would be much more cost effective to buy an EJ25