Reliability
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Reliability
Hey Guys - I am deciding whether I should get a WRX or Jetta. I was wondering how the reliability of the WRX was. My main concern is the WRX's turbo not lasting 150-200K miles. How long has your turbo lasted/still lasting? I was planning on keeping my car for at least 200K miles, what are your thoughts? TIA
If driven like the car was intended( i.e. no racing) then I dont see why it wouldn't last that long. But at the same time, spare stock turbo's go for under $200. 
But since both the USDM WRX and the Jeta 1.8t have not been out long enough to see 200k miles, it's anyones guess.

But since both the USDM WRX and the Jeta 1.8t have not been out long enough to see 200k miles, it's anyones guess.
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Owned 7 new VW in past from 83 GTI to VR6 Corrado and everything in between including an A4 Audi. I now own two Subarus (02 WRX and 03 Legacy OB) and couldn't be happier. VW's and Audi broke all the time only one didn't have mechanical problems from day I bought them. WRX = 0 problems in a year and a half. If you are worried about a turbo being more maintanance later on, it probably will be. Buy an RS then. Similar performance to the Jetta. Also VR6 motors are a nightmare when you start having to replace things. Motor has to come out of the car to do water pump and just about anything else. Have to buy special tool just to change plugs( one comes with the car but is plastic and will break on the first use). Will never drive VAG again.
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The Subaru motors tend to leak at the valve cover gaskets and from the front seals. The M/T 5spd doesn't like to be shifted fast or launched hard. The Subaru paint job quality is probably not what you would expect but over all they are good cars. I think its just dealing with SOA that has ruined by desire to ever buy another Subaru.
I would say stay away from a Jetta or any VW that is under $28k... The lower-end VW (anything below Passat) are built primarily of Brazillian-made and Mexican-assembled parts. I'm not trying to slight my comerades south of "the Border" -- they are certainly just as capable as any German of creating a quality automobile -- but the idea that the VW is a "German made and engineered" car was a victim of rising labor costs long ago.
My brother-in-law had a 01 Jetta that went through a huge number of problems, and eventually was completely rebuilt (at dealer expense, luckily). It would fail to start after it was rained on; it fried its computer twice, causing extremely choppy idling and terrible fuel economy; the spedometer cable broke, and the dash lights dimmer also got "stripped" and stayed on DIM -- not good!
Now that VW is clearly trying to market themselves as a luxury car manufacturer (trying to fill the space left by BMW and Mercedes, both fighting to get into the $22k range) the higher-end cars might be improving; I drove a Passat with the "W8" engine (which, dissapointingly, is covered entirely in a black plastic housing so you can't see the engine AT ALL) and it was really nice -- NOT FAST at all, despite the ads, but still nice.
My brother's Legacy wagon just passed 68k, no problems; my Legacy wagon is at 36k, no problems. My WRX just crossed 10k, and no problems there despite 110-degree weather and some leadfoot driving. Take that for what you will!
However, it is fair to say that if your goal is to make an engine last 200,000 miles (a crazy idea -- who would want to keep a car for that long?) then any Japanese or German car with a tiny, hot, high-compression, high-rev engine is a bad idea. You'd be far better off with a diesel Volvo engine if long life and low maintenence (and not performance or value) is your goal.
Michael
My brother-in-law had a 01 Jetta that went through a huge number of problems, and eventually was completely rebuilt (at dealer expense, luckily). It would fail to start after it was rained on; it fried its computer twice, causing extremely choppy idling and terrible fuel economy; the spedometer cable broke, and the dash lights dimmer also got "stripped" and stayed on DIM -- not good!
Now that VW is clearly trying to market themselves as a luxury car manufacturer (trying to fill the space left by BMW and Mercedes, both fighting to get into the $22k range) the higher-end cars might be improving; I drove a Passat with the "W8" engine (which, dissapointingly, is covered entirely in a black plastic housing so you can't see the engine AT ALL) and it was really nice -- NOT FAST at all, despite the ads, but still nice.
My brother's Legacy wagon just passed 68k, no problems; my Legacy wagon is at 36k, no problems. My WRX just crossed 10k, and no problems there despite 110-degree weather and some leadfoot driving. Take that for what you will!
However, it is fair to say that if your goal is to make an engine last 200,000 miles (a crazy idea -- who would want to keep a car for that long?) then any Japanese or German car with a tiny, hot, high-compression, high-rev engine is a bad idea. You'd be far better off with a diesel Volvo engine if long life and low maintenence (and not performance or value) is your goal.
Michael
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Volkswagen has had numerous re-occuring problems with the Golf and Jetta IV series. To my knowledge:
1. Oil consumption problems in 2.0 liter engines at under 20K
2. Ignition coil pack failure in all models
3. Window regulator failures in all models
4. ABS pump problems
5. Blowoff (diverter) valve problems in 1.8T
I have seen 3 good friends purchase 99 & later Jettas (2 with sedans, 1 wagon). All three are severely regretful.
I was going to buy a VR6 Golf back in Jan 2002. Then I test drove the WRX. To date, I have had only the 2002 year clutch shudder (being repaired under warranty probably next week).
The VW's are nicely finished, run well and seem to be the 'hip car' (like the Mini) right now. But drive a WRX and then drive a VR6 or a 1.8T. You'll see which car is the better 'driver's car.'
1. Oil consumption problems in 2.0 liter engines at under 20K
2. Ignition coil pack failure in all models
3. Window regulator failures in all models
4. ABS pump problems
5. Blowoff (diverter) valve problems in 1.8T
I have seen 3 good friends purchase 99 & later Jettas (2 with sedans, 1 wagon). All three are severely regretful.
I was going to buy a VR6 Golf back in Jan 2002. Then I test drove the WRX. To date, I have had only the 2002 year clutch shudder (being repaired under warranty probably next week).
The VW's are nicely finished, run well and seem to be the 'hip car' (like the Mini) right now. But drive a WRX and then drive a VR6 or a 1.8T. You'll see which car is the better 'driver's car.'
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I've never owned a VW, but a girl in my office does. She was explaining the costs of service ofr her car and they were ASTRONOMICAL. She tried to take it to a non-dealer to get the coolant changed and they didn't have the right stuff. It ran her ~$200 to get the coolant flushed at the dealership. Her replacement parts cost as much as my aftermarket performance parts, and her '98 Jetta runs like crap and hasa lot of broken pieces in the cabin.
Granted, my WRX has had some issues (fraying of the seat under my wallet, and the way the floormats DO NOT STAY IN PLACE, whistling from the mirror at speeds 120+) I have had NO serious maintenance issues and I beat the CRAP out of my car.
I can do my own maintenance with off-the-shelf parts/fluids, and I can drive my car at auto-x, track days, and drag strip without fear.
I'd go Subaru. Unless you want an S4. Then get the S4. I like the S4. A lot.
Granted, my WRX has had some issues (fraying of the seat under my wallet, and the way the floormats DO NOT STAY IN PLACE, whistling from the mirror at speeds 120+) I have had NO serious maintenance issues and I beat the CRAP out of my car.
I can do my own maintenance with off-the-shelf parts/fluids, and I can drive my car at auto-x, track days, and drag strip without fear.
I'd go Subaru. Unless you want an S4. Then get the S4. I like the S4. A lot.
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The 1.8T is a rock-solid engine. It's been on Ward's top 10 for at least 4 years. The things that you may expect to fail are:
1. Coil packs (there is a recall out now so this issue is really covered)
2. Diverter valve (get an OEM replacement for $30 - plus a lot of people go with an aftermarket DV, and there are many available, so this isn't a big issue, either)
3. Various sensors (again, fairly cheap to replace. I just replaced my coolant temp sensor, and it cost less than $6.)
The engine itself is a marvel, and nearly bulletproof. Expect to get 100K+ easily, even when modded. You certainly can't go wrong with a 1.8T.
-Imp
1. Coil packs (there is a recall out now so this issue is really covered)
2. Diverter valve (get an OEM replacement for $30 - plus a lot of people go with an aftermarket DV, and there are many available, so this isn't a big issue, either)
3. Various sensors (again, fairly cheap to replace. I just replaced my coolant temp sensor, and it cost less than $6.)
The engine itself is a marvel, and nearly bulletproof. Expect to get 100K+ easily, even when modded. You certainly can't go wrong with a 1.8T.
-Imp
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I have not owned any recent VWs, but I have owned a few in the past. And I considered both the WRX and the 1.8T GTI before I purchase the WRX.
Despite all the VW bashing here (understandable, given this is a Sub. sight!
), I can say this: VWs incorporate some very excellent engineering. And their paint quality and fit and finish (both inside and out) will absolutely put a Subaru to shame.
And a German car will last as long as any Japanese car.
On the other hand, you cannot 'weld the hood shut' on a German car, as you can on a Japanese car. They require maintenance, and boy do the parts cost a bundle!!!
And in comparing the GTI to the WRX:
GTI:
180hp
Front wheel drive
Twist beam axle in the rear
WRX:
227hp
ALL wheel drive
fully independent suspension
And for the same price (this month, anyway)
So for value, the WRX is the hands down winner.
Despite all the VW bashing here (understandable, given this is a Sub. sight!
), I can say this: VWs incorporate some very excellent engineering. And their paint quality and fit and finish (both inside and out) will absolutely put a Subaru to shame.And a German car will last as long as any Japanese car.
On the other hand, you cannot 'weld the hood shut' on a German car, as you can on a Japanese car. They require maintenance, and boy do the parts cost a bundle!!!
And in comparing the GTI to the WRX:
GTI:
180hp
Front wheel drive
Twist beam axle in the rear
WRX:
227hp
ALL wheel drive
fully independent suspension
And for the same price (this month, anyway)
So for value, the WRX is the hands down winner.


