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Old Apr 3, 2006 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by I am imprezed
Hello, i've got about $200ish to burn, and wanted to know what i should spend it on. My car's stock as a rock and I kinda wanna up grade the preformance side but don't know what to look for. Any thing else like suspension, exterior, ect. would be great if it's a must have for a beginner like my self. Any input would be great because this is my first mod and wanna start off on the right foot.

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P.S. It's a 2005 wrx with a 4EAT, yes i know i'm a girl, should have got the 5sp.

i believe you should get a k&n drop in filter for about $40ish. then go get you some samco intercooler hose. for about $120ish. then you will have about $40 to put a full tank of gas! or even get the gp moto elbow. thats my opinion. you will feel the difference in the power!!! there i spent your $200 for you
Old Apr 3, 2006 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Egan
An uppipe is indeed the best bang for the buck in terms of engine mods.
This is assuming that you do the installation yourself. Unless you find a shop with someone you know, you could end up stuck with a $350-$500 installation fee for the up-pipe, which makes it much less of a bargain. Most people out there aren't ready for the incredibly difficult job of installing an up-pipe without a hydraulic lift.
Old Apr 3, 2006 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by meilers
This is assuming that you do the installation yourself. Unless you find a shop with someone you know, you could end up stuck with a $350-$500 installation fee for the up-pipe, which makes it much less of a bargain. Most people out there aren't ready for the incredibly difficult job of installing an up-pipe without a hydraulic lift.
Even with installation costs, an uppipe will yield the most hp/$ of any mod out there. Besides that, it is a pre-requisite for future power mods (TBE, bigger turbo, etc.).

A hydraulic lift is not necessary to install an uppipe. In fact if you can install a cat-back exhaust, you can install an uppipe. It takes longer and requires some flexible sockets, but the skills required are no different. I did my first one in just under 4 hours and the last one in under 2 hours. It's really not that bad.

And if someone absolutely wants/needs to have it professionally installed, a shop that knows what they're doing should be able to get it done in under 2 hours. At $85/hour, you're only talking about $170 to install an uppipe at the worst. If a shop is charging more, I would be concerned that they don't know Subarus or are just trying to rip you off.
Old Apr 3, 2006 | 05:44 PM
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I'll search some threads and the web, but would you guys recommend any brands i should try look at? Like some said uppipes are a good band for the buck but might be a little tricky to put on. I'm pretty good with cars so the install should not be that hard to do but i don't have a lift and am using basic hand tools. Would there be an major obstacles in my way so it would be difficult to get to? I don't wanna get half way there and see that i have to remove the tranny or something crazy like that. One last thing, is this a one person job you can do on a saturday, or does it require two?


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Old Apr 3, 2006 | 07:08 PM
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I did the job myself and it took about an afternoon. You basically need the hand tools, a jack with jack stands and an o2 socket (which can be rented from autozone,if there is an autozone where you live). The job is not hard, but it is time consuming.
Basic directions:

remove passenger front wheel and access panel
remove o2 sensor (this is where the o2 socket comes in handy)
remove intercooler
remove heat shield
unbolt factory up-pipe from turbo
jack car onto stands
unbolt u-p from header
put jack under oil pan and jack up engine (it can be moved bout 1 1/2 inches) make sure to put something between jack and oil pan.
slide u-p out from underneath car (takes a little finnesse as the space is pretty tight)
install new up-pipe
put everything back on (the intercooler piping is a PITA)
be happy.

I was a little apprehensive about jacking the engine, but thats the easiest way.
You said you were good with cars so this should be a piece of cake for you. I'm not very mechanically inclined and if I could do it, you probly can too.
Old Apr 3, 2006 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by yanwasp
I did the job myself and it took about an afternoon. You basically need the hand tools, a jack with jack stands and an o2 socket (which can be rented from autozone,if there is an autozone where you live). The job is not hard, but it is time consuming.
Basic directions:

remove passenger front wheel and access panel
remove o2 sensor (this is where the o2 socket comes in handy)
remove intercooler
remove heat shield
unbolt factory up-pipe from turbo
jack car onto stands
unbolt u-p from header
put jack under oil pan and jack up engine (it can be moved bout 1 1/2 inches) make sure to put something between jack and oil pan.
slide u-p out from underneath car (takes a little finnesse as the space is pretty tight)
install new up-pipe
put everything back on (the intercooler piping is a PITA)
be happy.

I was a little apprehensive about jacking the engine, but thats the easiest way.
You said you were good with cars so this should be a piece of cake for you. I'm not very mechanically inclined and if I could do it, you probly can too.
Sounds good, these directions will come in handy, thanks for posting them. Looks like i got my weekend planed out.
What brand did you use if you don't mind me asking?
Old Apr 3, 2006 | 07:50 PM
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I have perrin catless up and down pipe and blitz nur-spec touring exhaust.
Old Apr 3, 2006 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Egan

And if someone absolutely wants/needs to have it professionally installed, a shop that knows what they're doing should be able to get it done in under 2 hours. At $85/hour, you're only talking about $170 to install an uppipe at the worst. If a shop is charging more, I would be concerned that they don't know Subarus or are just trying to rip you off.
You just described 90% of the auto shops in existence. No, I don't think you'd get any shop to do an up-pipe in under four hours. They'd most likely charge you for the first hour just waiting for the car to cool down enough to work on it.
Old Apr 4, 2006 | 05:15 PM
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Question

Know this might not be the best thing to ask but i'll give it a shot. So while i'm under the car and near the intake,.... should i remove the intake sliencer? My guess is, kill two birds with one stone! But do you guys think its worth it? Coulden't hurt right, if not i could always put it back on. My question is, did you do this mod with your uppipe install and is it worth it?

And no i don't know how to use the search button and no i don't care how many times people have gone over this. Just wanted to know if i should consider or not.
Old Apr 4, 2006 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by I am imprezed
Know this might not be the best thing to ask but i'll give it a shot. So while i'm under the car and near the intake,.... should i remove the intake sliencer? My guess is, kill two birds with one stone! But do you guys think its worth it? Coulden't hurt right, if not i could always put it back on. My question is, did you do this mod with your uppipe install and is it worth it?

And no i don't know how to use the search button and no i don't care how many times people have gone over this. Just wanted to know if i should consider or not.
Sorry this isn't Nasioc so we won't harp on you for not searching. I took my snorkel off and no it does not hurt anything. Just gives you a different sound instead of waisting $200 for an intake to do the same thing. You can always put it back on like you said. If you do your up-pipe install are you doing any EM with it or anything else?
Old Apr 4, 2006 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by lovesmysuby04
Sorry this isn't Nasioc so we won't harp on you for not searching. I took my snorkel off and no it does not hurt anything. Just gives you a different sound instead of waisting $200 for an intake to do the same thing. You can always put it back on like you said. If you do your up-pipe install are you doing any EM with it or anything else?
No EM, but i get the feeling like i should? Thanks for the no hassling, forgot which forum i was on.

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Old Apr 4, 2006 | 05:47 PM
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I was up in the air about EM and finaly got a Cobb AP. Have not regreted it since. You can find one used for about $100 cheaper sometimes on Nasioc for sale threads. A great buy in my opinion. It will get the performance out of your car that you want without sacrificing long term affects unless you abuse your car. Protunes are great too.
Old Apr 4, 2006 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by lovesmysuby04
I was up in the air about EM and finaly got a Cobb AP. Have not regreted it since. You can find one used for about $100 cheaper sometimes on Nasioc for sale threads. A great buy in my opinion. It will get the performance out of your car that you want without sacrificing long term affects unless you abuse your car. Protunes are great too.

Cool thanks for the replies.
Old Apr 4, 2006 | 10:05 PM
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The actual install is a bit more involved than was described.

Follow this link. You will have to become a member of the site to see the images, but it is free to join.

http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194

Good luck with the install. For the record, I'd recommend the APS turbine inlet (up-pipe) over some of the ones mentioned; it has a perfect fit and is robust enough to handle future turbo upgrades if that's the way you go, and it holds in more heat than steel versions.
Old Apr 5, 2006 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by meilers
The actual install is a bit more involved than was described.

Follow this link. You will have to become a member of the site to see the images, but it is free to join.

http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194

Good luck with the install. For the record, I'd recommend the APS turbine inlet (up-pipe) over some of the ones mentioned; it has a perfect fit and is robust enough to handle future turbo upgrades if that's the way you go, and it holds in more heat than steel versions.
I agree completely with the choice of up-pipe that is why I got the APS and ceramic coating too.



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