I-Speed USA presents Ion Vs FP dyno plots
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well, if it performs significantly better than the IHI turbos out there, that would be a place to start. also, the stock look is a nice alternative. what else do you want? a 12 month / 12000 mile warrantee is also something you get from IHI. is there anything else you want?
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christoph1371 - great results. We're glad that finally someone has pitted our turbo against the FP "standard". We're not surprised if you pick up another 7-10hp and 5-10lb-ft torque after the ECU gets to learn for a longer time.
Steppin Razor - our stage 0 upgrade's theoretical flow is 525cfm @ 1bar. We'll soon be releasing a solid state WG actuator upgrade to be able to keep boost to 18.5-19.5psi @ redline. Our stage will easily do 16.5psi @ redline and 19psi peak.
We'll also be releasing our stage 2 & 3 OE turbo upgrade as well. Stage 2 is basically stage 0 w/ solid state actuator and an even larger compressor cover. Stage 3 is a full ball bearing conversion.
Please note, in reference to the other turbo upgrade you're referring to w/ the 16G, the 505cfm is based on a compressor cover able to flow 505cfm. It doesn't matter if you have a big fan blowing if you've got a wall blocking you from the fan. Also, you may want to check into the warranty item, generally the warranty offered is stated as only valid under stock boost conditions.
Another thing you should note, depending on your other parts you have on a car, the effective spool speed will be different. Chris @ i-Speed has shown that our turbo spools faster then the FP. It's too bad there isn't an overlay of the stock turbo on any of the runs, if there was, you can see how fast they are on the same vehicle relative to the two other turbos.
Steppin Razor - our stage 0 upgrade's theoretical flow is 525cfm @ 1bar. We'll soon be releasing a solid state WG actuator upgrade to be able to keep boost to 18.5-19.5psi @ redline. Our stage will easily do 16.5psi @ redline and 19psi peak.
We'll also be releasing our stage 2 & 3 OE turbo upgrade as well. Stage 2 is basically stage 0 w/ solid state actuator and an even larger compressor cover. Stage 3 is a full ball bearing conversion.
Please note, in reference to the other turbo upgrade you're referring to w/ the 16G, the 505cfm is based on a compressor cover able to flow 505cfm. It doesn't matter if you have a big fan blowing if you've got a wall blocking you from the fan. Also, you may want to check into the warranty item, generally the warranty offered is stated as only valid under stock boost conditions.
Another thing you should note, depending on your other parts you have on a car, the effective spool speed will be different. Chris @ i-Speed has shown that our turbo spools faster then the FP. It's too bad there isn't an overlay of the stock turbo on any of the runs, if there was, you can see how fast they are on the same vehicle relative to the two other turbos.
Last edited by iON Performance; Mar 11, 2003 at 10:20 PM.
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which one???
Has anyone had experience with the APS SR30 turbo??? From what I read... it's not overly exspensive and performs better than the VF... Input please.
Thanks,
Ash
Thanks,
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What?
The APS SR30 is roughly twice the price of a VF30, and a full $650+ more than a VF34. I have seen nothing but good reviews, and am considering it myself.
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Hey folks! I just stumbled onto this thread and thought I'd add in some iON results. These runs were done at TurboXS on 3/8/03. The three curves show my baseline (home tuning), final 93 octane pull and final C16 pull. The car is a TXS stage 4 level UTEC setup with an iON Stage 0 turbo, iON 3" race turbo back and a big APS TMIC.
This image shows the boost curves (93 octane is in green):
Notice the boost starts falling around 4750 RPM. We think this is due to the wastegate blowing open. iON is supplying a new actuator to see if the problem goes away.
As for the SR30: I saw some dyno charts for this turbo while at TurboXS. It made about the same top end horsepower as a VF30, but was slower on spoolup. Granted, I just saw the one example but the opinion of the turbo with the TXS guys was not good.
My car is an absolute blast to drive; very torquey and responsive.
Mitch
This image shows the boost curves (93 octane is in green):
Notice the boost starts falling around 4750 RPM. We think this is due to the wastegate blowing open. iON is supplying a new actuator to see if the problem goes away.
As for the SR30: I saw some dyno charts for this turbo while at TurboXS. It made about the same top end horsepower as a VF30, but was slower on spoolup. Granted, I just saw the one example but the opinion of the turbo with the TXS guys was not good.
My car is an absolute blast to drive; very torquey and responsive.
Mitch
So here we are, half a year later, with me digging this thread out of its grave.
So, what do y'all think now? I can't seem to find the iON upgrade, where can I get it?
So, what do y'all think now? I can't seem to find the iON upgrade, where can I get it?
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Originally posted by verc
So here we are, half a year later, with me digging this thread out of its grave.
So, what do y'all think now? I can't seem to find the iON upgrade, where can I get it?
So here we are, half a year later, with me digging this thread out of its grave.
So, what do y'all think now? I can't seem to find the iON upgrade, where can I get it?
www.ionperformance.com
email jack@ionperformance.com
I have one, and am content with it. Although you may want to see your other options and see if Jack can give you some honest advice on what to go with.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by SonicWRX
[B]Hey folks! I just stumbled onto this thread and thought I'd add in some iON results. These runs were done at TurboXS on 3/8/03. The three curves show my baseline (home tuning), final 93 octane pull and final C16 pull. The car is a TXS stage 4 level UTEC setup with an iON Stage 0 turbo, iON 3" race turbo back and a big APS TMIC.
How did you stage 0 turbo stack up against the VF30/34's in HP and spool up. Any cost benifit?
[B]Hey folks! I just stumbled onto this thread and thought I'd add in some iON results. These runs were done at TurboXS on 3/8/03. The three curves show my baseline (home tuning), final 93 octane pull and final C16 pull. The car is a TXS stage 4 level UTEC setup with an iON Stage 0 turbo, iON 3" race turbo back and a big APS TMIC.
How did you stage 0 turbo stack up against the VF30/34's in HP and spool up. Any cost benifit?
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verc - If you'd like more info, feel free to contact us 
info@ionperformance.com
Since the stage 0, we're also offering a stage 1, 2, 3 and 4. Each specific for different portions of the power band.
The stage 0 is definately our most popular for a street turbo. Auto-x'ers love our stage 3 turbos as it spools up even faster then our stage 0!
For those interested in making some big big #'s you may want to check our our P series hybrid turbos or even our full garrett conversions
The following link is to an article in Banzai magazine featuring a V6 STi Wagon running our P450 hybrid turbo w/ our header system. As of 1 week ago, it pulled off 533awhp and 419lb-ft of torque. (all this from a 2L motor!) Dynos for this recent event available shortly
-> Page 1: http://www.ionperformance.com/custom...y/banzai1a.jpg
-> Page 2: http://www.ionperformance.com/custom...y/banzai2a.jpg
info@ionperformance.com
Since the stage 0, we're also offering a stage 1, 2, 3 and 4. Each specific for different portions of the power band.
The stage 0 is definately our most popular for a street turbo. Auto-x'ers love our stage 3 turbos as it spools up even faster then our stage 0!
For those interested in making some big big #'s you may want to check our our P series hybrid turbos or even our full garrett conversions
The following link is to an article in Banzai magazine featuring a V6 STi Wagon running our P450 hybrid turbo w/ our header system. As of 1 week ago, it pulled off 533awhp and 419lb-ft of torque. (all this from a 2L motor!) Dynos for this recent event available shortly
-> Page 1: http://www.ionperformance.com/custom...y/banzai1a.jpg
-> Page 2: http://www.ionperformance.com/custom...y/banzai2a.jpg
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It looks pretty clear to me which turbo would be better for a street car. The FP turbo makes more a ton torque at 4000rpm and runs faster in the real world(the only place that it matters). I guess if a peak hp number is all that you care about(and we know that's what the internet is all about), then by all means go for the Ion.
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