Tuning isn't that difficult. You just have to learn and apply some. Personally, I feel that the best potential tuner is the owner of the vehicle. Only the owner of the vehicle is the one that drives the car every day. When you get in tune with what your car needs, you are the only one that can really tune it for its max potential. Tuning requirements change from day to day and depend on the venue (daily driving, autocross, road course, drag racing, etc...). And no shop is going to be there to hold your hand after every modification and at every moment.

Feel some hesitation at 4000RPMs? Fix it yourself. Want to dump in some race gas at the drag strip. Tune it yourself. You are the only one who can maximize each setting, and it is mainly because you are THERE!

Learn to tune yourself and you will have a faster car for it.

 

The moderator needs to just kill this thread.

 

Keep me the hell out of your net rants and raves. Since we've never met and never talked (to my knowledge) and you work for the only competitor we have that bashes our products on a regular basis (not that we are special he does it to everyone) your opinion is slightly biased and you should keep it to your self.

Your statement is the definition of unprofessional.

Pot meet kettle.

 

Both companies lose my business. I'll go to COBB or ispeed. I really don't like either company airing their dirty laundry in our forums. You BOTH lose.

 

I think this is the most useful post in this whole thread! ShapeGSX is hinting at a some very important issues.

I don't think this thread is unwaranted. I come from the DSM world, and if you do some research you will find that most of the reputable vendors came into business as result of the need to push their hobbies to the limits. They made a name for themsevles by spending hours at the track to chase real times produced with real horse power. If it didn't work, try something different. They looked for a timeslip or a lap time more than a dollar. What they raced is what the sold. They have continued on this path. Names like Buschuur, Extreme, FP, and Road Race come to mind.


That started to change 3-4 years ago. There was a whole string of companies trying to cash in. Anybody who could steal and idea and had the ability to make a website, was suddenly the best tuner in the country. The DSM community has been tainted ever since. One company claimed to be able to run extremely high boost pressures on pump gas with a new hybrid turbo. They ran around all anywhere they could to pump this turbo. People who didn't know better bought them up and kissed every word. But the company didn't have independently documented track times or dyno slips. Turns out that the turbos where so poorly designed, that the "boost pressure" was really the exhaust pressure moving across the head to the intake.

Long story short, the company was bashed at almost every corner by some of the long time hard core DSMers Why? The company created a bogus product, with bogus claims, and took real money from real people. It took a long time for everybody to get the picture. Some still didn't get it.

Two very important cars have been imported in the last two years. How many companies do you think sell products for them? How many do you think had any real world experience with them at the time they opened for business. It took years for the performance of DSMs to get to were they are now. Bottom line is that, these people are learning off YOUR money. They are experimenting with YOUR money and they may never get it right.

Everybody should take a step back. Dyno slips and track times can be faked. If a company is not making the times at the drag strip or a track in real competion, then stay far far away. Put up or shut up! It's that simple. That way you don't have to be worried about being ripped off. What you see is what you get.

And if all else fails, go back to the old DSM attitude and do it your damn self. You might stretch your brains and learn a thing or two.